Small arms game

[Comisar]

I was wondering if there is enough people interested in an event where AEGs are taken out. Pistols, shotguns, AEPs, rifles, and automaic pistols would be the weapons of choice.

We have already started thinking about rules, storyline and scenario (Cops and Robbers) and even collecting props.

If you are up for a game with this style?

[Hawkeye888]

I'd play a game like this. Could be lots of fun

[spsnipa]

you may want to wait until spring, or warmer weather to do this because gbb are starting to be affected (effected?) by temperature

but I would be down for sure

[Maple]

Something to be mindful of:

I have seen (and used) MP7's (both gas and AEPs) that were tuned well enough to shoot accurately at 150 feet. Other than a sniper/ bolt action rifle, a gbb/ aep pistol or a shotgun could in no way come close to that kind of range.
You may want to consider limiting guns to "stock" form, and even then you may want to consider no sniper type rifles, as there are some that out of the box shoot 500fps and can accurate shoot 200 feet.
Just my thoughts.
-mat

[Trinth]

Id go and I would bet that the rest of my team would as well =O
Just depend's when it is since Gas gun's are already's power is reduced with the High average being around 60tops most weeks.

Maple Im thinking his goal may be to just try and cut down on the whole Mass F/A high cap scenario that tends to happen with most games.

[Hal9000]

I love the idea and I am in, but he is right its to late in the year for GBB. Next summer.


P.S. GBB m4's in or out.(I don't have one but it's a question that will be asked.)

[Comisar]

Ohh yes. We were thinking around June for this next year.

[Hawkeye888]

I think any assault rifles, smg, and lmgs are out.

[Willis_117]

This sounds like barrels of fun as long as there are no mag restrictions.

[DKruse]

Maple Im thinking his goal may be to just try and cut down on the whole Mass F/A high cap scenario that tends to happen with most games.

They do make high caps for many GBB models (including full autos).

[Willis_117]

Yes, But Its not a matter of extended magazines..rather than a Winding High-cap..because no such High Cap Exists for a GBB..I'd say limiting weapons to AEP's GBB's Springers Shotguns Bolt action Rifles Nothing bigger than a MP7 Would be legit.

[Trinth]

Aep's can have a large mag capacity with there hi cap's as well as springers but, I Do Not think that GBB mag "hi caps" Should be restricted because the amount they hold is very limited because of the gas chamber in the mag's

[Hal9000]

The AEP MP7 mid cap is 100 that's alot.( http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=1730)

The GBB MP7 mag is 48 less than half. ( http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=5881 )

That's a large difference and the biggest GBB mag that I know of is the KWA M93r extended mag at 50 rnds. Keep in mind that the GBB mags I', talkign about are over $50. one other thing I think any GBB smg MP7, Tac9, Uzi just no auto long arms.


Also, I have a Mp7 and M93r thay go through the whole mag on full, and have a way higher ROF that the AEP counter part(I have a MP7 AEP)

just throwing this info out there, I want this game to go and will help any way I can.

[Willis_117]

Fer Shure..But Whats the hate for AEP High Capacity Magazines..I'd say if it doesn't wind let it in!

[Comisar]

There would be no assult rifles or SMGs of any kind. Basicly if the gun was made to be held with two hands and isn't a rifle or shotgun it's out. There are exceptions to this like the M93r and other PISTOLs made with a front grip.

There wouldn't be any mag restrictions. It's hard enough to find extra mags for most small arms as it is. Reloads would be any where any time on the field.

[Willis_117]

=D Thank YOU Commisar!

[DKruse]

There would be no assult rifles or SMGs of any kind. Basicly if the gun was made to be held with two hands and isn't a rifle or shotgun it's out. There are exceptions to this like the M93r and other PISTOLs made with a front grip.

Define "Rifle." A M4 can be considered a "rifle" since it's a "carbine rifle."

[Willis_117]

Yes, Please Be Specific.

[Comisar]

allowed rifle would be a long arm that must be cocked by lever action, bolt action, or pump action and fires one shot down range. So you could bring a springer M4.

[Willis_117]

Do You know what field this is going to be held at?

[Maple]

Here comes another 2 cent moment by Maple:

Isn't that going to put people with bolt action sniper rifles at an insane advantage? Some sniper rifles, out of the box, can ping targets at 200+ feet accurately. A decent gas sniper rifle can be cycled once every 1 - 2 seconds. With that in mind, a sniper can engage a person 4 -6 times from 200ft. before they can ever get within the 75ft. (or less) effective pistol range.

[Hal9000]

I know you alredy called them out but I would like AEP and GBB sub machine guns to be included in this. Most are only marginally more accurate than a good pistol. Yes they have a higher ROF and a bigger mag, (Most are around 2X I think), Excluding the KWA extended mag for the M9,M93r. Also the lack of a good CQB field means most SMG's don't see a lot of play this would be a fantastic game for those of us that have them.

[Willis_117]

Well this game finally gives Airsoft Players an Excuse to use their secondaries..Besides plague that is..

[Trinth]

Shh maple Im hoping to have my RS svd soon and this would be an epic place to possibly use it =O

speaking of which How about Semi auto Long guns

Ie Sr 25, Svd, barret ect...

[Shinji]

I have these games at team related airsoft games, and they are allot of fun. I would be more then interested to attend if one was hosted, and sure throw sniper rifles in, yes they are accurate, but bbs have a REALLY hard time going through foliage. But no AEGs with the common gearbox or Gas operated rifles.

[Willis_117]

Yep..Besides Maple..Who do you know thats that good of a crackshot with a bolt action rifle? And Who Says you can't rush said sniper with a GBB Blazing..You Know players are only human right?

[DKruse]

Yep..Besides Maple..Who do you know thats that good of a crackshot with a bolt action rifle? And Who Says you can't rush said sniper with a GBB Blazing..You Know players are only human right?

You must not have heard the granola bar story.

Besides, a blazing GBB might not scare said sniper enough to not aim well and fire still.

[Trinth]

I think it would still be fair as long as the teams were divided up evenishly with the Long range gun's. Still curious tho about the Semi Auto ones...

[Comisar]

I know you alredy called them out but I would like AEP and GBB sub machine guns to be included in this
AEPs are allowed. I am saying no to SMGs because I have seen alot of people trick out there MP5 with a big silencer to hide an extened barrel and gave it a better gear box, making that MP5 equal to a AEG. I don't want to have to get complaints from people because they didn't get to use theres but someone else did.

I don't think bolt action sniper rifles will own the field. It's hard to hit a running target with a bolt action airsoft gun, and small arms games tend to have more movement in them compared to standard games. Also don't worry about sniper hidding in the bushes all day. Camo restrictions will see to that. And sorry no semi auto sniper rifles.

[Comisar]

Also i want to thank everyone for their input. It has been very helpful.

[Trinth]

awee no semi auto ;( SVD fail..

Also could u elaborate on the SMG bit such as what would still be ok
Mp7 aep, Scorpion aep, Gas smg's/ Or gas Riffles?

Also currious on what possible locations your thinking of holding this at

[Hal9000]

I think it's no AEG SMG's but the GBB SMG's are in. Which I totally agree with I have P90 and MP5 that would out class most gas guns in ROF and mag capacity.

[Willis_117]

Which is the scary part because alot of peoples...Amazing Assault Rifles are and can be outclassed by smaller SMG's :D

[Comisar]

The Scorpion is an AEP like a Mac 10 is, it is allowed
Gas rifles(sniper rifles) would also be allowed

The MP7 falls more in with the SMGs, which I feel could be a little over powering. I will have to do more research and play testing thou befor final word.

As for a field. I know which one I want to run it at, but frist I have to see if there is enough interest in an event like this befor reserving a field.

[Comisar]

Well this will be moving to the event thread as soon as the web page is set up.

June 13th at APOC