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RTO
27 Oct 05, 04:51 AM
I'm just wondering if anyone can shed some light onto this topic.

How did TM get around the use of the ACTUAL names of the guns? Like they call their replicas M16a2, and M4a1, and G36c. How do they not get in trouble for it, or is it not a problem, or did they sign a piece of paper saying whatever?

I was just wondering it a couple days ago and was just curious to hear of how they got around it.

Timmay
27 Oct 05, 05:12 AM
its legal over there. thats why theres a customs and trademark infringements here in good ol america.

Texx
27 Oct 05, 05:22 AM
Marui has licensed the rights to those trademarks, but only within Japan. In order to legally import them, the company would need to obtain the proper licensing to import them into that country. If the country doesn't actively enforce copyright and trademark law, then it doesn't matter. The US does actively enforce trademark law because it represents a loss to the companies which own those trademarks.

Think of it in terms of telling someone you are Bryant Gumble. Then they see you marching in a few Klan Rallies, bombing a few abortion clinics, and voting Republican. Now they will forever associate Bryant Gumble name with a Republican. You have soiled Bryant Gumble's good name, despite several years of hosting Sports on HBO his life is now over.

To put it another way, hit your hand five times with a ball peen hammer. Get the point? No? Well maybe you should try hitting the other one, but harder. Eventually, you will come to understand Trademark Law through the power and the glory of crushed hands. But you will have only yourself to blame.

knob
27 Oct 05, 09:54 AM
Thats what i figured when i saw the "heckler & koch" blacked out on my box when i got my mp5k.

Fish
27 Oct 05, 10:01 AM
correct me if I am wrong but I have heard that in Hong Kong they don't have copyright laws so TM and others don't even have to buy rights within Japan. That would explain why they can have trades but not American retailors.

Ben
27 Oct 05, 10:26 AM
Why do CA and G&G change their names like the "UMG" and the "CA36" then?

Stylin7
27 Oct 05, 11:48 AM
CA has purchased the license agreement to us the logos. I would imagine the same with G&G

Night Stalker
27 Oct 05, 11:57 AM
:s Why bother.

seppuku
27 Oct 05, 11:59 AM
CA has purchased the license agreement to us the logos. I would imagine the same with G&Gi think CA has an agreement with Armalite, not Colt (which i think is what the Marui M16s/M4s have for markings). G&G uses their own logos on their GR16s, specifically to avoid trademark/copyright infringement i would guess. same reason why they call their UMP a "UMG".


correct me if I am wrong but I have heard that in Hong Kong they don't have copyright laws so TM and others don't even have to buy rights within Japan. That would explain why they can have trades but not American retailors.Hong Kong is part of China, so i'm not really sure how you're making the connection there with Japan. i believe China does not have copyright/trademark laws like the US, but i believe Japan does. like Timmay and Texx said, Marui has probably purchased the rights to use those trademarks in their homeland, but not over seas. maybe Cybergun had already claimed those rights here?? :o

Tank
27 Oct 05, 11:59 AM
CA only has licensing agreements with Armalite. That's it.
That's why the new CA M16 series have Armalite trades. It is also the reason CA has been improving it's Q.C. as of late. Not so much because they wanted to, but because Armalite insisted on it. CA calls their G36 a "CA36" mostly to avoid being sued by H&K.

G&G uses their own trades, in the case of the UMP they named it "UMG" to avoid being sued by H&K.

BoBgOdS66
27 Oct 05, 12:37 PM
My G&G socom16 (m14 variant if you did not know) is property of "the greedy island" opposed to the U.S. and it says S.O.C.16 instead of socom16 which is the real steal springfield armory M1A variant. There are a few other things but I don't wanna meaninglessly post them. I think their sorta clever with the fake trades, and not pissing off the manufacturers of the real steal as much as Marui does, but G&G also actively exports to America, unlike Marui from what I have heard.