G&G Armalites

[seppuku]

it seems people are fond of G&G's other AEGs (i.e. the M14), but does anyone have experience with their Armalite series of guns (the M16 in particular)? how do they compare to the Classic Army M15s in terms of durability, reliability, lemonbility (;)), etc.? i understand that Maruis are typically the safest bet, but i wasn't terribly impressed with their external build quality (the foregrip in particular felt rather cheap), and i'd rather not spend a ton of money getting one upgraded externally and internally. the stories of broken tabs and barrel wobble don't really turn me on either. i also like the removable handle on the A3 model variants, of which Marui doesn't make (although that's not that big of a deal).

at about $100-120 difference, a "pre-upgraded" G&G (and possibly a CA) seems like a better buy than a TM, after the added cost of an internal upgrade and new front-end for the Marui, and assuming the G&G/CA is not a lemon and requires no additional upgrading (aside from a higher tension spring possibly). that seems to be a big what-if though, and i'm assuming most (or at least the most vocal) people around here would say just go with the Marui, especially when compared to the CA....but, you don't hear much about G&G M16s so i figured i'd give this thread a shot.

besides my natural tendency towards indecision, the other thing that's holding me back is the fact that Tokyo Marui is releasing an updated M4 with various improvements. will they release an updated M16 as well?....i've also heard SRC is releasing an M16A3, so maybe i should just wait for that.....j/k (well, mostly) ;)

[Tank]

The G&G M16 series is quite nice.

Externally they are about as solid as you can get in airsoft.

If you get one with a solid stock or redi-mag you can take the upper (& front end) off in about 10 seconds.

The two biggest problems with G&G guns are, the hop-up bucking isn't the greatest, & the motors are a little weak. The hop bucking is a prety minor problem (IMO) & the motors are fine unless you plan to upgrade to higher than than 350-370 they shoot stock. (Another a minor problem IMO.)

So there's my 2 cents. Do with them what you will.

[seppuku]

The G&G M16 series is quite nice.

Externally they are about as solid as you can get in airsoft.

If you get one with a solid stock or redi-mag you can take the upper (& front end) off in about 10 seconds.

The two biggest problems with G&G guns are, the hop-up bucking isn't the greatest, & the motors are a little weak. The hop bucking is a prety minor problem (IMO) & the motors are fine unless you plan to upgrade to higher than than 350-370 they shoot stock. (Another a minor problem IMO.)

So there's my 2 cents. Do with them what you will.thanks for the 411...does the same apply to their new(er) GR300 series? i really like the "L", but it's a bit out of my price range. also, do you (or anyone else) know if those issues you mentioned have been fixed with the latest versions? the WGC Shop (http://www.wgcshop.com/) is selling "Ver. 2005", but they don't give many details. i also see different quotes for muzzle velocity at different retailers...any ideas what these guns actually shoot from the factory? finally, what are some reputable retailers stateside that sell G&G GR16s? Redwolf actually has free shipping right now (i know, i know, Redwolf is the teh Devil), but i'm leary about purchasing full-on airsoft guns from overseas retailers.

[Timmay]

what Tank said
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[Tank]

They G&G M16 series guns shoot Between 350-370 out of the box.

The hop-up & motor problems I mentioned are minor problems & I don't think they have been recitfied yet.

The motor won't give you any trouble unless you put a heavier spring in it. Even then it may be fine.

All the internals are "upgraded". Steel gears, polycarb piston, reinforced spring guide, tightbore barrel, etc.

The hop up bucking is fine but you may have an ocasional "flyer". I replaced the one in my M14, but only 'cause I'm a little "retentive".

As for the GR300...I haven't seen any in person yet. & places that sell 'em domestically...IDK for sure but I think AEX sells them, I know Airsft GI does.

You could also call the company I work for (Palco) and order one from us. IDK what we charge for them to a retail customer, you might be better off getting one through someone else. We only have the M14 & GR16C (M4A1)
But if you want to check here's the # 800-882-4656.
We have a shipment of G&G coming in the 1st week of Nov. but IDK what all is coming. I know we're getting some UMG's (UMP) but other than that IDK.

[SigPro552]

This is probably a really stupid question on my part, but is there a difference between the CA Armalite series and the G&G Armalites? Im sure there is, but I was just wondering because they are both dubbed "Armalite."

[Tank]

All M16 series weapons are commonly called "Armalites" because the M16 was invented by Armalite.

[NATHANIELJONESTHUGANGEL]

This is probably a really stupid question on my part, but is there a difference between the CA Armalite series and the G&G Armalites? Im sure there is, but I was just wondering because they are both dubbed "Armalite."


Yeah dude, Armalite is just the name of a gun manufacturer, though it does have a really awesome logo...

http://www.nationalsecurityassociates.com/images/armalite_logo.jpg

[Vigilante]

Yea, I just bought the real steel m16 today, well, its by a different company, but still the same thing, just different brand. I LOVE IT.

[RTO]

...They G&G M16 series guns shoot Between 350-370 out of...

I'm assuming your in referance to the Pre-Upgraded G&G M16/M4's

[Tank]

I'm assuming your in referance to the Pre-Upgraded G&G M16/M4's

All G&G guns are "pre-upgraded". Which by the way is a rediculous term.

Yes they use parts that, compared to TM stock parts, are upgraded.
But since it's what G&G puts in all their guns that makes them stock parts.
Therefore they are not "pre-upgraded" they are stock.

[Raven218]

so what ur sayin tank is that they r stock as g&g but upgraded next to a tm or somin like that right cuz me imma pick up a g&g gr16

[Timmay]

you know what i hate? golden showers, hippies, homosexual midgets, taking the time to DECYPHER a post because someone is too lazy to SPELL THE WORDS OUT. SERIOUSLY.

[RTO]

I'm just asking that question becuase the apparently "pre-upgrade" G&G armalite that my friend has was claimed to be at 380-390 fps according to Airsoft GI and when chronoed at Garys place (about six times I think we tried) it didn't get much higher than 300 fps.

Some pre-upgrade if you ask me.. NOT

Thats why I ask making sure we were both on teh same page as far as the pre-upgraded goes.

[SigPro552]

Looking at the parts that the gun is made of, wouldnt you just have to swap in a different spring and then you would have an upgraded, metal-body, aeg?

[Raven218]

Sorry timmay i dont know why i do that its just a thing i do i dont know why...

[Vanac]

I'm just asking that question becuase the apparently "pre-upgrade" G&G armalite that my friend has was claimed to be at 380-390 fps according to Airsoft GI and when chronoed at Garys place (about six times I think we tried) it didn't get much higher than 300 fps.

Remeber, its a retailer...they are going to say it shoots hard so more people buy them...Airsplat claims their springers shoot 350... WAY OFF! More like 150 w/ .12

You can't always believe a retailer, they are in it to make money.

[SigPro552]

Well isnt that false advertising and therefore illegal? There might be a loophole or something, but if they say "shoots 350fps with .20g bbs" and it actually shoots 200fps with .20g bbs, isnt that an obvious lie?

[Stelthturkey]

RTO, mine isn't the pre-upgraded version, its just the regular GR16... Yes, it is upgraded in terms of metal/reinforced pieces in the gearbox, compaired to marui and such. The gun is very solid, no creaking what-so-ever, the only noise is the sling mount clanging against my grip, and that will be fixed soon (getting a sling for it). Yes, the hop-up bucking is very crappy, i have to crank the guns hopup all the way and then adjust it from there because it only takes effect cranked. Ive heard from numerous people that the gun's motor can support only about a m100 spring cuz it was ment for a better rof, (the rof is insane in this beast)!!! Its a little loud, but you throw a supressor on there and she sounds nice (little long for my taste... but, meh). With both G&G and ICS mags it feeds flawlessly, but ive heard a few things about the ICS M16 mags so well see w/ them.

All in all, really nice gun, its a keeper and i dont plan on getting rid of it ever.

[RTO]

Thanks for help/input guys!


RTO, mine isn't the pre-upgraded version, its just the regular GR16... Yes, it is upgraded in terms of metal/reinforced pieces in the gearbox, compaired to marui and such. The gun is very solid, no creaking what-so-ever, the only noise is the sling mount clanging against my grip, and that will be fixed soon (getting a sling for it). Yes, the hop-up bucking is very crappy, i have to crank the guns hopup all the way and then adjust it from there because it only takes effect cranked. Ive heard from numerous people that the gun's motor can support only about a m100 spring cuz it was ment for a better rof, (the rof is insane in this beast)!!! Its a little loud, but you throw a supressor on there and she sounds nice (little long for my taste... but, meh). With both G&G and ICS mags it feeds flawlessly, but ive heard a few things about the ICS M16 mags so well see w/ them.

All in all, really nice gun, its a keeper and i dont plan on getting rid of it ever.
Sorry, my bad:(

[Maple]

Remeber, its a retailer...they are going to say it shoots hard so more people buy them...Airsplat claims their springers shoot 350... WAY OFF! More like 150 w/ .12

You can't always believe a retailer, they are in it to make money.

Not much you can do to a company that is in another country.

Also, in terms of a chrono, Gary has a paintball chrono. It is not meant to measure the speed of 6mm bbs. I have gotten results ranging from 225-390fps from his chrono. (My M14)
When it was chrono'd before the WAA members game, it was a solid 335fps. I believe that they were using Bob K's chrono at that event, so I have a feeling that it was pretty accurate.
-maple

[RTO]

That could be part of it too.. Speaking of chrono's not to stray to far off topic, any that anyone here personally recomends?

[Tank]

Yes.

Shooting chrony.
http://www.shootingchrony.com

You won't get one better.

The only draw back is they do not work with florescent lighting. If you use it indoor you need incandescent lights. They sell a light kit for it that takes care of that.

[seppuku]

even though the question about FPS was posed it a different thread, since the topic has come up in this thread i'd figured i'd post here instead....plus i don't want Timmay yelling at me. ;)

i've been looking into getting a GR16 lately, and i too have noticed different FPS ratings at different retailers. Airsoft GI (http://www.airsoftgi.com/default.php?cPath=24_107) is particularly confusing, because they call all of the GR16s "pre-upgraded", and list them as having an M100 spring installed. as far as i know, G&G do not use Systema springs, and i think "M100" is a designation used by Systema. my guess is Airsoft GI means "M100 equivalent" spring, but i could be wrong (War 4 Toys (http://www.airsoft-war4.com/w4_aeg.php?b=G%26G) also says M100, so who knows). Airsoft GI also sells a "M120 Spring Pre-upgraded" version of the GR16-A2. and in terms of general G&G versions of the gun, Airsoft GI lists the A2 as "version 2" and the carbine as "version 3" with the following improvements:
# New Improvements
# Authentic magazine release
# Authentic color Upper and Lower Push Pins
# Authentic Sears, Hammer and Trigger Pins
i have no idea how that relates the new G&G gearboxes (http://www.wiairsoft.com/forums/showthread.php?t=819).

now as jones pointed out, Redwolf says GR16s shoot 285. Airsoft GI says 320 on the A2 (380-400 w/ the M120), and 300 on the carbine. as a reference, they quote the M14 as 320, which is about what G&G advertises it as (100 m/s or 328 fps to be exact). WGC Shop (http://www.wgcshop.com/) says 340-360, and UN Company (http://www.uncompany.com/) says 350 for the A2 and 360 for the carbine (and 340 for the M14). Den Trinity (http://www.dentrinityshop.com/pr_list.jsp?cid=AEG&bid=ASE) claims 340-360, but Airsoft Extreme (http://www.airsoftextreme.com/store.html) claims only 280-300, which is about what GamePod (http://www.gamepod.com/store_049.htm) says: 300 fps and a M100 spring. this (http://www.theqproject.com/store/review-ggr4.asp) "review" at the Q Project found the initial velocity to average 360 fps, and anticipate that figure dropping to 330 (a number they quote as coming from the factory). that's close to what this guy found (http://www.dask.org/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=52) - 350 fps. but i guess what is most befuddling, is that G&G's website (http://www.guay2.com/) says they GR16s shoot 285 fps. i think anyones best bet is to go with what actual owners and people who have actually chronoed the AEGs say.

[Vanac]

Honestly....can we give Seppuku a title of "King of the Link"

[seppuku]

Honestly....can we give Seppuku a title of "King of the Link"w00t! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W00t) w00t! (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=w00t) :D

...and for all the fogeys out there: "!337$p34k" (http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/children/kidtalk.mspx) ;) (i especially enjoy bullet point number four...and by "especially enjoy" i mean "passionately loath").

[Timmay]

Link King......what was the question again? :)
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[seppuku]

Not that anyone will probably care, but I gave Palco a call, and the person I talked to said they're only selling the Carbine right now, with no plans to stock the A2 or even the A3. So then I was going to pick up the A2 from WGCShop for $312, but shipping was $74 (ouch! :o ). Then I saw UnCompany was offering free shipping (from HK) on the older version, and they would include the new gearbox per the G&G recall. However, in the end I sent an e-mail to Airsoft Extreme asking which version they were selling. Turns out it's the latest one, and for a limited time they were offering 10% off on top of the 10% holiday deal. The total came to about $330 including shipping, so I figured avoiding customs and the hassle of installing the new gearbox was worth the extra $18. And I picked up another G&G hicap while I was at it. I post a report once it comes in.