A Place to airsoft

[Riken252]

There is a public park In Green Bay that would be grate for airsofting. The park is called Pampren Park and it is sacluded from the rest of the city by trees. It also is a very large area.

[A-Ron]

Uhmmm...
NO!!

You obviously have never read any of the other posts in the forums graveyard, or the threads of wisdom section to see it is a VERY BAD idea!

Green Bay does not treat airsoft lightly, and you WILL get in trouble if you are caught playing with airsoft guns outside of your house, even if you are firing from inside your house out the door.

[Riken252]

Yeah sorry about that i didn't add the last part. this is what i forgot


Is there a possibility we could use the park for the day. I do know the owners of the park. I'm sure there would be a fee for using it for the day, but i think it would be grate publicity for airsoft and the airsoft stores in WI. It could be a huge even. And who to better put it on then the WAA?

Edit: i would also like to remind you that this park is not sate owned.

[A-Ron]

Then your dealing with letting police know whats up in advance, still getting approval, having to deal with insurance and a whole bag of sankes that you still are not up to par with it seems.

Theres a lot more to running a "big event" than what it seems.

Please take the time to reference
http://www.wiairsoft.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=57
and
http://www.wiairsoft.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=56

[Riken252]

I'm not saying i'm going to run this; I'm proposing that WAA create this even this summer. I think it would be a grate place for one if a place was discussed, Beacuse i'm sure people get stick of playing at the few fields that there are around.

[CrazedAntelope]

I have a feeling that the city of Green Bay has some regulations regarding the use of airsoft guns within the city limits...

[Riken252]

Well.... once again this is private land not owned by the state, also it is not in green bay it is in Howard. My friends and I have talked to the cops many of times in Howard about airsofting and they were fine with it as long as the BBs disinagrated whitch most do. We have even spoken to who is my understanding is Chief Deputy John Gossage who is the head of the Howard police department.

[A-Ron]

..nce again this is private land not owned by the state, also it is not in green bay it is in Howard.After you said earlier..

There is a public park In Green Bay that would be grate for airsofting...Even though it is private land, it must adhere to local laws. It could very well be against the law to discharge an airsoft replica in Howard limits.

Most bbs DO NOT degrade into nothing, unless they are expensive biodegradable, bbs for a few years. Most of us do not use bio bbs. Normal bbs take quite a few years to biodegrade.

Big thing is liability... You, nor the WAA has the insurance to put on an event at a privately owned park.
All it takes is one dumbass to ruin it for the rest of us.


I'm not saying i'm going to run this; I'm proposing that WAA create this even this summer. I think it would be a grate place for one if a place was discussed, Beacuse i'm sure people get stick of playing at the few fields that there are around.
Actually most people enjoy the fields that are here because for the most part.. It is safe and legal (both liability wise and law wise) to play at the fields.


I highly doubt the WAA will support such an event, and if you do go forward to do so on your own, please use extreme caution and get a good lawyer.

[Riken252]

Well made point.


:(


I tried

Edit: just another thought about the iliabity issue and ligeal issue, you could always use a waver.

[A-Ron]

I'm not trying to say don't play airsoft man... Thats the last thing I'm trying to say.
I'm just saying theres a few more steps to it than you first initially think.


I used to think the same way as you are trying to..
It's publicly owned private land, maybe I can get them to let me use it.. Only to find out that I then need some other form of approval, and insurance, and liability release and... lots of stuff.

[Ghostbear]

@Riken: First, if it is private land, it isn’t a park. It can be someone that is willing to not prosecute a person trespassing, that is up to them. That does not however make it a publically accessible piece of land. You would at the very least need to have a written contract with the owner to use their land. If the land owner is at all smart, which I will assume they are, they would require you to produce a liability policy guarantee to them. That would be your insurance coverage that limits their liability.

Further, you would have to provide notice to the Police, and more than likely canvas the area around the land, to notify the people of that area of what is going to be happening. As, if they were to stroll into the park you wouldn’t want them to have a heart attack as they watch one team shoot at another. Plus, you would need a minimum of one OC per 100 feet of linear boundary of the playing area. Again, as this is normally a ‘park’, you would have to make sure that nobody strayed into the playing area, without halting the game. As they won’t be wearing suitable eye protection.

You will have to print up poster sized signs to post the notification of the game going on, that would be one sign for every 50 feet, same as a no trespassing sign. But, they would have to be much larger and more eye catching as to not be dismissible. Also, you would need to have a boundary tape or rope to signify the bounds of the game. And a second one that is 150 feet inside the first, to signify the bounds for the players, as to keep the possibility of someone outside the tape being hit at all with a stray round.

Ok, so that is the start of the thing.

As it is inside a ‘public’ area, it will be something that the police of that area will likely want to have you pay for at least a single officer to sit and watch to make sure that you don’t break the laws.

Then after all that, if nobody in the community has any ever so slight problem with what you are doing, they might let you proceed.

Then comes the costs, if it is private land, as you stated, then they will want some money. I would think if it is a good sized park and you would be shutting it down for the whole day on a Saturday or Sunday, that would be some $800-1200. The insurance coverage for that single event would be some $4500 plus a few different riders because it is possible to have people just walk onto the field. That should bump it around $800 or so more.

Then you have a field that is say 16 acres, that is a small field, but lets say that is what you got. So it is a good 4 acres by 4 acres square. An acre is about 208 by 208 feet to be square. So, the 4 by 4 acre field would be 832 feet by 832 feet. That would mean 17 signs per side for a total of 68 signs at about $12 a piece for $816. Boundry tape would be 3328 linear feet plus stakes to keep it up would be $0.15 a foot plus 224 stakes (1 stake per 15 feet) at $1 a stake would add a $723.20. An off-duty officer would be $80 an hour, game being 6 hours and 5 with the setup and teardown that would be $880. Oh, yea, the second inside tape as well, that would double the $723.20.

Ok, so what do you have so far:

Field Rental: $1000 (split the range)
Insurance Base: $4500
Riders: $800
Signage: $816
Boundary Tapes (inner and outer): $1446.40
Off duty officer: $880

That alone gives you $9442.40

Lets not forget that you would also need the assistance of say 6 people per side of the boundary for non-player interventions: so 24 people for just boundary security, plus OC’s for the day.

Assuming your cheap and you aren’t going to pay anyone anything, and don’t spend money on things like props and water and such for the group, no giveaways unless donated for free…

Then assuming that you got a HUGE turnout of 80 people… Considering it would be your first go at it, so nobody knows if you’re a good planner or not…

That would mean $118.03 each, just to cover the expenses listed.

And then add in the flyers and the time to hand them out that could be another $100 or so… So, figure $120 a player…

And that would be a cheap ass game, with no props and no extras.

Add in things like props and extras, well that could add in a few more hundred. Making this venture be $150 a player, to play in a ‘park’.

So, you probably wouldn’t even get the 80 I am earmarking, so the price would have to go up with the drop in attendance.

Oh yea, forgot, does this 'park' have toilets? if not, then a port-a-potty would also be manditory, as whipping it out to whiz in public is a crime. So, another $300 or more.

In the end, I make this post to point out, that while you may seem to grasp what your talking about, it really doesnt matter, as all of this would be needed. And for those of you that would argue with me that not every one of the games we play has an officer on site. Yea, because they are on private land that is not normally open to the public. If a paintball field was a park for the last 650 days, and today it is a airsoft field, someone is going to have to keep an eye out for those people that would not have received notice.

Anyway, tis best to no go further as I am sure I will be blasted as being a prick for going this far anyway.

[Riken252]

If someone thinks ur a prick for doing this their fuc*ing retarded, beacuse your right. You made a vary good point, and I'm sure you wern't trying to make me look bad. Your just sating the truth.

I think you should pin this up on the Forum, cuz a lot of people could learn from this.

I could also argue a few points but it would be pointless beacuse there are so meny things to think about.


But i'm going to anyways. The way this is about a 40 acre park, and there is only one road in and out, and it is covared by trees. And whan i said it was privalty owned i ment to also say that it is owned by a group people kind of like WAA were you donate and such.


But yeah.. well made point

[Ghostbear]

Riken,

You havent been a member here long enough... :)

I have been blasted in the past for remarks much like this. Some people dont take criticism as constructive. They look at any comment that could be negative as personal and then it turns ugly.

I am glad you took it for what I intended it to be: Information and a different view of the situation.

As for pinning this, well, I could but nobody would read it the next time something like this comes up. Nobody ever does. :)

Just look at all the 'what is the best gun?' posts, and you will see. Not only here, but at any forum, people dont take the time to search. And sadly that is a different story.

[Riken252]

Riken,

You havent been a member here long enough... :)

I have been blasted in the past for remarks much like this. Some people dont take criticism as constructive. They look at any comment that could be negative as personal and then it turns ugly.

I am glad you took it for what I intended it to be: Information and a different view of the situation.

As for pinning this, well, I could but nobody would read it the next time something like this comes up. Nobody ever does. :)

Just look at all the 'what is the best gun?' posts, and you will see. Not only here, but at any forum, people dont take the time to search. And sadly that is a different story.

haha yea thats very true. I am also a member of airsoftforums.com and i understand about the best gun thing. You are the head honcho of WAA though so i assume that you couldn't/wouldn't be an a-whole even if you wanted to :D. But I still pin this beacuse then you could just laugh in there face and say look at this thread FOO!

And there you have it.

[Batman]

so i assume that you couldn't/wouldn't be an a-whole even if you wanted to :D.


HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! You deffinatly haven't meet Ghostbear yet!!!!

(Kidding, much love brotha)

[Riken252]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! You deffinatly haven't meet Ghostbear yet!!!!

(Kidding, much love brotha)

I'd tell him to go suck a big one then =]

[kyledk]

I'd tell him to go suck a big one then =]



that would be a bad idea.....you would be pulling bb's out of your skin for the next 2 weeks......:D

[Riken252]

that would be a bad idea.....you would be pulling bb's out of your skin for the next 2 weeks......:D

he might have a foot coming out of something then. :D j/k









Not really.

[mp5dude]

I'd tell him to go suck a big one then =]

......not really....

[seppuku]

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