What type of games and guns?

[Scratchy]

Hi, I'm planning to get my starters AEG this weekend.
But what kind of events are most often held here in this area??
Are they mostly CQB or woodland or some other type?

Reason I'm asking this is, I'm planning to decide between an M4 type or MP5 type of gun. I am planning to go to the war game room this saturday and get one.

Also is it better to get the ICS mp5 instead of the TM MP5?? I read this review that made it sound like the ICS was God's gift to MP5 lovers? Or is it not so different from the TM other then the metal body? Anyone know the answers? I tried the search feauture and the event section. But I'm not too familiar with all the terms yet. Please help me out?

Scratchy

[RTO]

Not to many cqb games are held here, but they do show up every now and then. Gary is planning on putting a cqb type of area on his field, but that wont' be for a little bit yet. Mostly woodland games go on, but Garys field has an open area with a few structures out in it.

As far as ICS vs. TM, its personal preferance, IMO!

[Maple]

Scratchy-
Majority of games in the area are woodland/ open games. CQB is few and far between. Even with Gary planning on opening a CQB facility, I personally think you are better off with an M4 (my personal preference over the MP5)
It'll serve you better in the woodland games, but can be used very effectively for CQB. Just ask any SWAT officer or guys in Iraq. Majority of them use M4's.
Since you asked, IMO, ICS sucks ass. Their bodies are good, but internals blow. Stick with TM, especially if it is your first gun. You're better off with the good old reliability of TM when you start, vs. the sometimes finicky nature of other brands.

[Scratchy]

Thanks for the quick answer Colonel Maple and RTO. Guess I'll be looking for some kind of m4/m16 variant at the war game room :)

[Maple]

Go with the M4. You'll be happy, there are a lot of mod parts available for it and it is a good gun in it's stock form. Plus with a little basement maneuvaring (sp?) practice, you'll be able to use it in CQC situations. Both Batman and Archos from TFD use M4's in CQB and seem to kick ass doing it.
-mat

[Scratchy]

Are they more expensive? I remember seeing them go for $300+?

[RTO]

that, and you an always make soemthing look badass like this

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/874/s40200421dw.jpg

[Maple]

Are they more expensive? I remember seeing them go for $300+?
Not sure what Gary is charging for them. Hit him up with a PM. Last time I bought a gun from him, it was a G&G, and they are much more expensive than TM. I suspect the gun alone will not cost you more than $300, unless you buy a M4S.

[Scratchy]

I called the war game room today. And I was told they don't have the M4S or something? Because they are changing to a new version? It would suck if I drive down there and they don't have any M4 at all :cry:

Is that your rifle RTO? That looks awesome :o And if my memory serves me right. Is that a M4 RIS?

[RTO]

yup, thats my baby, well one of them.. and its actually an Sr-16 with a telescopic stock, and a bunch of extra stuff. the gun alone took me quite a bit to get to what it is at right now, and she costs more than what i want to admit

[Scratchy]

I gotta get me one of those :D Or I can build on the M4 I might be getting :)

[Downslide]

I wanna get me one of those too...

You can build onto just about any M4 that you start with. The nice thing about TMs are that they are very modular and very accepting of new pieces. So the gun you have in a year, could be a completely different M4 variant than the one you originally buy it as.

Oh, and why don't you hop over to the New Player Introductions thread and tell us all about yourself?

Mark

[d9137]

I actually own both an M4 and an MP5a4. Now don't get me wrong, I love my MP5, but for open fields and versatility, you can't beat the M4. RTO has a sweet variation on his and most of those parts are widely available in multiple price ranges. You can pretty much customize the crap out of it to fit your needs for each game if you chose. The MP5 while compact and an overall nice weapon, there is only so much you can do to it. Both of mine are ICS, but I won't get into the ICS vs. CA vs. TM argument.

[RTO]

I too own an Mp5a4, lol, and as "d" says, it is a nice versitile, compact, weapon, with preformance just a little below par to the M4. Mine are both TM, and I've owned CA before, and I like them all.

[bikemancs]

I personally prefer a M4/M16 series of weapons, but I think that's because the Army brainwashed me... no, they just got me used to it...

anyways, I'd stick with it, worst case if you're somewhere and you run out of ammo and need a mag fast, lots of players have M4/M16s and can throw you a mag, as long as you give it back to them!

[Scratchy]

Oh and.. I'll post a newbie intro as soon as I get my rifle :)

[Mr. Crow]

I wanna get me one of those too...

You can build onto just about any M4 that you start with. The nice thing about TMs are that they are very modular and very accepting of new pieces. So the gun you have in a year, could be a completely different M4 variant than the one you originally buy it as.

Oh, and why don't you hop over to the New Player Introductions thread and tell us all about yourself?

Mark

Thats what I love about M4's they are like legos. Build them up and down all day long.

Technically my M$ is TM, but only about 15% is origonal. This is all different parts put on later.
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/3580/kc7at.jpg

[Scratchy]

Oh.. I just read some review saying that the Tokyo Marui M4 models have some rattling and wobbling problems??? Is this true? Oh and since I'll be getting a gun this saturday. Should I pick up a full face mask or just some goggles? Don't really want to look like a dork. Wearing a full mask when everyone is just wearing goggles :s

[Downslide]

LMAO @ "legos!"

Yeah, Scratchy. The Mauri M4 series has a chronic history of "barrel wobble." which is basically the outer barrel coming loose from the receiver because of it being torqued around during skirmishes. For every review I've read about the problem, I've also found a half dozen threads on how to fix/aleviate the issue. Also, the newer Mauris have had the problem "corrected," whatever that means. The barrel wobble is an annoyance at best.

[Stylin7]

My first AEG was a CA M15A4 Carbine, have had no problems with it. I have had it for 8 months just upgraded it with spring and cylinder kit. Has full metal body so no barrel wobble that can happen with a TM M4 and has metal bushings and will shot about 310 in stock form. Many people are against Classic Army because of problems when they first came on to the market, but their quality control has increased dramaticly. My next AEG will most likely be the CA SLR105 (ak74).

[Beasthunter33]

I will agree with stylin on CA improving it's quality control, for awhile I would tell people to avoid CA at all cost, but after working on my friends new CA36 my opinion has much improved. The design of the gun and gearbox is very straight forward and everything looked alot stronger then any stock TM gearbox I have ever worked on or seen. I still wished I had gotten a different gun then the M733 I started out with. I started trying to do just a basic spring and bushing gearbox upgrade two years ago, I have since learned alot and know what I did wrong, but to this day the gun still has problems and I attribute this to the design of the V. 2 gearbox. IMHO they are designed to break, especially the ICS gearboxes.

just my .02 cents.

[Scratchy]

Well, it seems that Gary does not have any TM M4 rifles in stock :cry: Any alternatives? Or should I just have him order me one? Maybe have him order a TM M4S? I read those don't have the wobble?

[Roadkill]

The gun all depends on you. Personally I own an M4 (havent noticed the barrel wobbel yet) and love it. But.....I found a new love...the M16 VN. If I were you I wouldnt jsut buy any gun because you want one right away, I would wait to you really know what you want and like. :)

[Scratchy]

Well... my favorite gun in Counterstrike is the M4 :D Maybe I can use that as an indicator... although hmm... I like MP5 too

[Roadkill]

Well... my favorite gun in Counterstrike is the M4 :D Maybe I can use that as an indicator... although hmm... I like MP5 too

Well MP5s are good also. Gary uses an MP5J and does better than people with highly upgraded AEGs, but he uses tactics that are far beyond our ability....stealth.

[Scratchy]

oh no... stealth... don't think I'm up to that level yet. since I'm just starting and all :D You can probably hear my a mile away. Tripping.. falling.. swearing.. accidental firings :D

[Roadkill]

oh no... stealth... don't think I'm up to that level yet. since I'm just starting and all :D You can probably hear my a mile away. Tripping.. falling.. swearing.. accidental firings :D

HAHA. Dont worry, we all fall once in a while. I tried to run across a metal bridge covered with snow immediatly after someone else just fell on it. Some people on here have some prety sweet camo schemes, unlike me and my snow camo guille made out of white t's. HA

[demonmutiny]

lol, no its a poors mans snow camo lol...but gary has also had RL experience on the field, we havent...also you dont want to be kick your in the a$$ because you bought an mp5 and realized it wasnt for you

[Scratchy]

Hmm.. Gary said he has the M16A1 in stock. :) Might be too big though... Any thoughts? How is it as a field rifle?

[Beasthunter33]

is it a TM, I find longer is better, unless its all plastic like a TM would be.

wow that sounded wrong.

[Scratchy]

Lol.. so longer is better huh? as long as it's not plastic? :D Lol... It's a TM M16A1 so I guess it's not really a good choice then... Well he just told me he has Mp5s, SG552s and G36Cs in stock.. hmm.. maybe I should wait for an M4.

[Agent J]

The G36C is a pretty good gun, and it's about the size of the M4. I don't own one, but perhaps someone who does might recommend it to you from there experience, as I am basing this on hearsay.

[Scratchy]

I might have to check the G36C out. Look like an interesting gun. It's a new model from TM isn't it?

[Beasthunter33]

I might have to check the G36C out. Look like an interesting gun. It's a new model from TM isn't it?

I am telling you now from actual experience working shooting and holding a CA G36, if you are gonna get one, get that one!!! Hands down the nicest gun I have ever held (besides a Browning 20ga Lightning Over/under, but that one I didn't get to shoot, though I did enjoy holding it for a while :D :cry: ).

Ever since shooting that thing my entire excistence has seemed inadequete. Diffenetly on the list of guns to get for me.

[Scratchy]

Hmm... the CA G36C isn't full metal like all their other guns. would that make them similar to the TMs?

[RTO]

its actually said to be "glass fibre" like that of the real steal G36, if i'm not misatken. someone please correct me if i am

owned one, traded it, and now somehow one of my team mates has it again, lol, but they are indeed nice weapons. they allow for customization just as much as what an m4 does, and they have numerous parts out for them. another good beginners weapon if your looking to start out with something versitile... but then again, almost every arisoft gun is like that, its what you put into it and the sport that makes it unique

[Vigilante]

Honestly, I use an m16 VN, and I love the thing. It is not big at all, then again, I am a big guy. People just complain. I like the bit of extra accuracy that the barrel offers. Plus it looks badass. If you like it, go for it. If you are a guy with a smaller frame, lets chat lol j/k, but seriously you might want to go with an m4 then. It is preference overall.

[demonmutiny]

C.A. G36 body is not metal, i think its a metal frame or something maybe idk, ive taken my gun about all the way and the whole barrel is metal so that might be what there talking about

[Scratchy]

Man.. if I want the M4 I'll have to wait.. lol.. Waiting for a new toy sux :( Guess I'll have to wait a bit before I can show you guys my BBs :D Still going down to the war game room though. Might find something else I like.

[Stylin7]

I have heard from a fair number of people that started with a G36C or MP5 and end up wanting something with a longer inner barrel after a short time, Just something to think about.

[Beasthunter33]

The CA36 (depending on the version, there are three) has a pretty long barrel. one I would say is M733 length barrel wise (CA36c), one is inbetween (CA36k) about the length of an M4, and the last one (just CA36), is easily the length of a SG-1 barrel, though it doesn't feel as long as that, nor is it. Maybe its a tightbore that it comes with, idk, all i know is that that gun was a tack driver, and can shoot as far as any gun I have ever seen (airsoft that is).

[Scratchy]

Yea. I was thinking. If I do get the G36c I can always convert it to a longer barrel later on.

[Maple]

Scratchy,
Don't let people sway you one way or the other over which style of gun to get. (I know, I suggested the M4 over the MP5)
Get the gun you like the best. For the most part, all stock guns are fairly equal, and it is what you do to it with upgrades that makes the difference.
You are going to get 20 different opinions from 20 different people. Beasthunter is a big CA fan, a lot of people are TM fans and I personally am a G&G fan.
I would suggest sticking with a TM for your first gun, as they are fairly reliable and a lot of people can help you fix it if it breaks. Once you are used to how a aeg works and what not, then I would suggest testing out different brands of guns.
just my .03 (inflation)
-mat

[Scratchy]

Yeah. That's why no matter what I think I'm still gonna go down to the war game room to look at the actually guns and see what I like better. So many choices... Think it's gonna be either M4, Mp5 or G36c :D I'm pretty sure... I hope.. lol Hmm.. saturday needs to come sooner. I want to pick my gun :D

[Beasthunter33]

Scratchy,
Don't let people sway you one way or the other over which style of gun to get. (I know, I suggested the M4 over the MP5)
Get the gun you like the best. For the most part, all stock guns are fairly equal, and it is what you do to it with upgrades that makes the difference.
You are going to get 20 different opinions from 20 different people. Beasthunter is a big CA fan, a lot of people are TM fans and I personally am a G&G fan.
I would suggest sticking with a TM for your first gun, as they are fairly reliable and a lot of people can help you fix it if it breaks. Once you are used to how a aeg works and what not, then I would suggest testing out different brands of guns.
just my .03 (inflation)
-mat

Yeah, listen to Maple here on this one, get the gun YOU want. Glad to see you put the fairly before reliable when you were talking about TM there, My gun says different. :cry:

[Scratchy]

That's it... I'm just gonna get a cheapo springer gun ;) I can just buy a whole bunch of them.. and throw them away after each game :D

[Beasthunter33]

Better yet, do what I did when I first got into airsoft, get a bottle of bb's and run around the field sprinkling them on peoples heads. a Pink tutu adds to the atmosphere and aids your team in those seconds gained while the opposing forces stare at you in disbelief. Streaking I would avoid though. :s

[RTO]

only takes one shot to the "hooo ha" to learn how that one was a bad idea ;)

[Beasthunter33]

only takes one shot to the "hooo ha" to learn how that one was a bad idea ;)

You would know?

[Scratchy]

Better yet, do what I did when I first got into airsoft, get a bottle of bb's and run around the field sprinkling them on peoples heads. a Pink tutu adds to the atmosphere and aids your team in those seconds gained while the opposing forces stare at you in disbelief. Streaking I would avoid though. :s

Oh I like that idea :) Hm.. I should run around with a straw and some BBs. Jungle warfare at its best :D

[Maple]

Yet another sad day for the WAA forums. <shakes head and lays it into hands> ;)

[RTO]

we shall not go there, lol.. NO


You would know?

But the pink tutu, yeah... i'll be the first to laugh at you, ill say that

[Scratchy]

Laugh and then make me dance with your BBs? :o

[Beasthunter33]

Laugh and then make me dance with your BBs? :o

We'll stop there and get back to the topic now, my BB's are not your business. :]

[Scratchy]

We'll stop there and get back to the topic now, my BB's are not your business. :]

No comment... must resist... :D

[Vigilante]

Wow, I am seriously glad that my mom set my bedtime to 9 now.

[Beasthunter33]

Wow, I am seriously glad that my mom set my bedtime to 9 now.

In their old age they get needy at earlier and earlier hours.

[Scratchy]

Anyway, tomorrow is the day :D What is it going to be? Place your bets :) I mean BBs..

[Scratchy]

Hmm.. seems like Gary forgot to pay the bill for his URL.... "This Account Has Been Suspended" Oh well guess I'll have to wait to PM him on there.

[squezeel]

to tell you the truth its my first time out tomorrow so plz dont hurt me to bad. wait until i get used to the game and then plaster me k.i plan on haveing some fun tomorrow.

[Scratchy]

Hehe. Don't worry. I need to get a gun first before I can plaster you. :]

[Scratchy]

Hmm.. there's a used M4 forsale on the buy sell section. So tempting...

[Roadkill]

to tell you the truth its my first time out tomorrow so plz dont hurt me to bad. wait until i get used to the game and then plaster me k.i plan on haveing some fun tomorrow.

What kinda camo are you wearing? Ill make sure to look for you :) Ill be wearing OD, Long hair, M4, T-Shirt as bandana, not too much else.

[Vigilante]

I will be wearing my multi cam :] Hope to see you all there.

[Scratchy]

So guys. I think I'm going to buy the M4 daemondog is selling. As some ppl pointed out to me. It seems like a good deal.

[squezeel]

What kinda camo are you wearing? Ill make sure to look for you :) Ill be wearing OD, Long hair, M4, T-Shirt as bandana, not too much else.
right now i dont have any camo so ill be in a green sweatshirt and jeens tomorrow

[Scratchy]

Ok.. I made my choice.. and I bought the M4 daemondog was selling. Yea yea.. I know some of you said it's not a good idea buying a used gun. You all can say: "I told you so" when something happens and laugh at me.

[RTO]

half of my guns that i currently own are of "used" nature. they are really good guns too, so, buying used has it perks! (aslo its downfalls)

[Scratchy]

Well.. I was thinking.. if it does fail on me.. It's a good way to learn how these things work. I assume it can't be harder than fixing a car right?

[Scratchy]

And I probably won't be able to make it to tomorrow's game. I have no safety gear and ammo at all :(

[Beasthunter33]

Walmart!!!

[Stelthturkey]

alrighty, ill get in this too since we all seem to be posting pics of our m4's, lol...

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a370/Stelthturkey/Picture071.jpg

Yea, and mine didn't cost nearly as much as rto's, lol... But all in all, buy one and throw on whatever you like. Whichever way you want it to look, im sure there a part out there that will trip you trigger. Good Luck.

[squezeel]

alrighty, ill get in this too since we all seem to be posting pics of our m4's, lol...

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a370/Stelthturkey/Picture071.jpg

Yea, and mine didn't cost nearly as much as rto's, lol... But all in all, buy one and throw on whatever you like. Whichever way you want it to look, im sure there a part out there that will trip you trigger. Good Luck.



aaaaahhhh not the most widely used wepon theM4lol

[RTO]

actually a Gr-16, lol ;)

[squezeel]

omg i sorry i messed up.

[OverKill]

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/9079/dsc034534pc.jpg

ok well heres my m4

[RTO]

ha ha haaa!!!! love it!

and this thing is a beauty to hold too, let me add that!

[element365]

It goes well with your name.

[OverKill]

It goes well with your name.

ya most of my guns do lol ;)

[Scratchy]

So Overkill are you gonna kill me because I bought the M4 ;)

[RTO]

.... ha h... wait no.. i don't get it:o

[Scratchy]

How do I adjust the TM 2x40 pro scope? Don't know how to use it lol

[RTO]

uhhh... there are windage and elevation knobs on it i think. its best to sight it in during the day, or in a lit firing range because then you can see the trajetory of the bbs best and what not. but (if its the one i think it is) its the windage and elevation knobs, they have covers over them most likely and then you take a screw driver (or just your hand) and adjust them accordingly:D:D

[Beasthunter33]

I don't get it overkill was that supposed to be a pick of a gun or something, all I see is carpet.

[OverKill]

So Overkill are you gonna kill me because I bought the M4 ;)

not at all but you know what I said I hope all works out for the best. but if I see ya on the field and you are on the other side. ya I will kill ya. ;)


I don't get it overkill was that supposed to be a pick of a gun or something, all I see is carpet.

ya I supose I should get a better pic. :)

[Scratchy]

This is the scope:
http://server2.uploadit.org/files/scratchy-scope1.jpg
http://server3.uploadit.org/files/scratchy-scope2.jpg

I think I figured out how to mount it.. but anyone care to explain so I can verify?

[Scratchy]

This is the rifle.
http://server2.uploadit.org/files/scratchy-m4rifle.jpg

[Beasthunter33]

THats the right way, I got a real steel one of those, they are pretty nice. BTW I was talking about the gun being camo that is why I said all it was was a picture of carpet, it was a joke. eh nvm.

[OverKill]

THats the right way, I got a real steel one of those, they are pretty nice. BTW I was talking about the gun being camo that is why I said all it was was a picture of carpet, it was a joke. eh nvm.

lol ya I got ;) it

[Scratchy]

So, I went to Gary's store today. and bought some stuff. Being the newbie I am.. I bought the wrong magazine for my gun :cry: Apparently M16/M733 mags don't work with the M4? :s Oh well.. anyone want a plastic M16/M733 mag? :D

[Downslide]

Are you sure it doesn't fit? It may be a magazine for a springer, instead of for an AEG. Most (I repeat, most) of the M4/M16 magazines on the market are fairly interchangeable from gun to gun. The one M4 body that has the most problems is the Well R6, but the rest are pretty forgiving.

What make/brand of magazine is it?

[Scratchy]

I bet it's for a springer..
Here's a link to the pictures of the mag.

Mag link (http://www.flickr.com/photos/13532555@N00/)

Any of you willing to show me what the correct ones are I am suppose to get?
Like some med or hi caps ones? Preferably cheap.

[Freeze]

yeah that be Springer, and you can Ask Gary Next time and He'll show you the correct ones, if you get them from him

[Downslide]

I am just using 21st Century Airsoft because they have good pages for example purposes. Personally I have foind them a little high priced when you include shipping. Gary should have the right kind of magazines for you though. But here are some examples...

TM 300rnd Hicap (http://21stcenturyairsoft.com/details/M16300)

TM 68rnd lowcap (http://21stcenturyairsoft.com/details/M1668)

STAR 30rnd lowcap -yeah, they're plastic and cheap, but they work and you get a lot of them... (http://21stcenturyairsoft.com/details/STARM1610)

Classic Army 300rnd Hicap (http://21stcenturyairsoft.com/details/P029M)

MAG 120rnd midcaps - yeah, they're plastic too, but they hold 120rnds with NO WINDING. I have some, they work. (http://cgi.ebay.com/MAG-M16-M4-Mid-Cap-120-Rds-Airsoft-Magazine-BOX-of-8_W0QQitemZ7227756928QQcategoryZ64635QQtcZphotoQQc mdZViewItem)

That should get you started in the right direction...