delete this or not but read it first.

[newMP5user]

For anyone that was at the game on 2/5/06. im going to make the last word on this: A- yes there are rules to be followed. B- not everyone plays by those rules. C-theres two sides to the story, and yes i did see 3 people sitting in the structure which is why i said "bang" 3 times, and finally D- so someone got the middle finger (big deal i get the driving) so what should i drive my car into them no... that something more serious like attempted murder, reckless driving) i dont point my gun at them it goes back to hunting laws, because someone shot a deer on my property and they dont like it that i wont let them on my property and they give me the finger im not gonna raise my deer rifle to them and shoot. which is exactly what someone did (and yes im cool with you nemesis its the other people that are giving me grief, im getting the feeling that im the one to blaim cause i threw a punch)
ban me from airsoft if you will.. but remember airsoft already has a bad name so why ban a player who says he was wrong already and make him feel bad. but if you do ban me i WILL make airsoft a bad name because noone gave me a chance to express my feelings towards it.

last words, none of you out there have a defibrilater or ICD as the call it. it could go off while i drive not just at the field, i didnt say anything about it only because i dont think people care i have it, and i dont want anyone to think any less of me because i have one. im just like the rest of you, im happy im sad i can have fun and run, but i feel bad that this happened and if all of you feel i will stop playing airsoft so some people can have their fun.
thanks for reading that is if it doesnt get deleted already.

sincerly,
jon lawrenz (formerly newMP5user)

[Beasthunter33]

I honestly can somewhat relate here. I did some "questionable" things in the past but I have since quite doing them and realized how stupid they are. We are all human and things happen. we can do things we can regret but we can also learn from them and realize what is that we need to do to fix them. I am glad I didn't just get banned from airsoft for my mistakes cause this is a sport I have finally found that I enjoy doing and where I have found others like me that have similar interests. I am thankful for this. I strongly feel that the outright banning of someone from anything for something that they realize was wrong and admit to is uncalled for and just plain cruel. No one deserves that, if this is the case in airsoft then I doubt that many of you in airsoft would still be playing.

EVERYONE makes mistakes.

I also know the reason for this thread being written and all I can say is not cool.

[Sanchez]

Agreed theres no sense in banning someone from something if they already admitted that they were in the wrong..Id say suspension at most but even then is pushing it...Id understand if they were cocking and just saying that they were never in the wrong blah blah blah.. But hey they worked it out and he is expressing himself and i think its fair to say that things happened...I do understand that its someones field and they did abuse the rules and disobeyed Garys property and what have you...But personally it sounds like this shouldnt be something that needs severe punishment over a little fight...O btw what is a ICD or whatever?

[Vigilante]

Jon, you won't get banned from playing airsoft, things happen, we are only human, just glad no one died out there, and if people are giving you grief, they weren't there to see it, i didn't see the incident happen, but was at the field that day, anyone who says x person should get banned none of this that, ecetera, they weren't there, and if it was one of their friends that did something where they should get banned, I am sure they would think otherwise.

[Viper]

First off, crap happens. No way around it. There is always going to be issues because everyone sees and responds to things differently. Yes, tempers flair, but violence solves nothing. Especially since we are all suppose to be part of this "brotherhood" if you will of Airsoft players.

Secondly, if you get banned from a field, fine, there are always other places to play. Let the situation die down, and after some time has passed, approach the field owner and ask to be let back on their field. If they say "No", their choice, but once again, there are other fields.

Lastly, no one has the authority to ban anyone from Airsoft. I don't care who they are, and what they say, there is not some all powerful supreme Airsoft being that will banish you away from airsoft. Yes, problems will occurr, and things may be said and done,but no matter what, we are all friends. No one should have a grudge against them, or hold a grudge against someone else. Everything (from what I can tell) worked out in the end, and that is what matters most. Resolve the differences in question, and move on.

[garyb]

Just to set the record straight, I have not banned anyone form playing airsoft on my field nor anywhere else. I have spoken to the parties involved and several witnesses and action has been taken.
If you are not involved in the matter there is no need to become involved I am more than capable of handling the situation.
As far as closing the thread I requested that this be done, I was reading posts from people that were either not at the Field or anywhere near the incident and I was not happy with them making suggestions on the out come of this incident.

[Night Stalker]

"If you are not involved in the matter there is no need to become involved I am more than capable of handling the situation.
As far as closing the thread I requested that this be done, I was reading posts from people that were either not at the Field or anywhere near the incident and I was not happy with them making suggestions on the out come of this incident."

That must mean you are talking about ME. So let me retort! If it is an airsoft game open to the public and posted on this forum, it is EVERYONES business. You are more than capable of handling it on your own I am sure, but that doesn't mean it isn't anyones business. What happened affected everyone that plays in our state even if YOU don't think so! So even if you don't like it, everyone has a right to comment. Like I said to Brad and Nemesis, what would have happened if Nemsis wouldn't have used restraint and hit him back to result into a fistfight. It could have become fatal. Worst case scenario of course. But the outcome would have looked very bad. So you need to step back and look at the bigger picture besides the fact that.. "Well it is MY field and my problem."

Not placing blame on anyone, just a thought here!


Edit- I haven't and do not suggest anything to the point of saying someone should be banned.

[youth in asia]

i dunno NS, i kinda agree w/ what u are saying, and i think that perhaps a sticky should be made about situations such as this so new people CAN see the brotherhood and possibilities of forgiveness in these special cases. but i am more on gary's side. you really had to be there, and gary gets the final call on this. think of the weight that was, and probably is still, on his shoulders b/c of this. when i read the original posts from u and maple in the other post, i was kindof mad that u guys where so quick to jump to conclusions when u didnt even witness it.

BTW- i WAS there and i DID see the whole thing happen

BTW (again) - get better soon jon, hope u will continue playing airsoft!

[Night Stalker]

I understand your point.. but this is laughable...


" i was kindof mad that u guys where so quick to jump to conclusions when u didnt even witness it."

What conclusion did I jump to? I didn't suggest anything other than to say nobody should swing at anyone. He thought he got hit so he swing back. Fine.. but you shouldn't throw punches. That was the whole gist of my point.
being there has nothing to do wiht it or if it is garys call or not. Gary can do what he wants and tell anyone he wants about anything. But the fact is, you don't need to be there to know someone threw a punch at someone regardless of what the reason was or the misunderstanig that led to it. Sure his condition and the circumstances led to the action, but the end result was the punch was thrown in anger because restraint was not used when he thought he was hit first. That is the point and cause for future concern. the medical issue is another issue. I also said to Nemesis that I think he did a great thing keeping his cool. And the ohter point is that nobody wants to play that is willing to throw a punch at you should things go one way or the other.
That was it in a nutshell. No repremend, no banning, nothing.

[youth in asia]

well, from ur earlier post on the old thread, i got the fealing that u were gonna bash another guy in... as you seem to have a tendancy to do, i might add... i just didnt want to see these guys getting the guts yelled outa them from people who werent there. that is all i have to say, since this thread has taken a different turn. no ill-respect meant.

[Night Stalker]

In only bash the idiots that seem to have a direct affect on how I or others play this game. When what you do affects everyone here, you need a reality check. Sad fact is, no everyone, but some just plain deserve it.
Not this situation, but your comments that I have a tendancy to bash someone.

Self control is the key. Nobody wants to play with someone who will swing on someone regardless of the reason. Nemesis did the right thing, but I am not saying MP5user did the wrong thing. Just a thought here. I just didn't realize that we as the WAA were cool with superceding the rules set forth for another reason because soemone will handle it. But if everyone is cool that Gary handled it on his own and those are different rules, that is fine. Just good to know where everyone stands with that.
Anyway, that is the last I will say on it. I will let it be where it is.

[Kerrik13]

I understand Nightstalker's and Gary's point of view. I had a situation like this come up a while ago when one of my members (that doesn't play anymore) and another person at an event got very angry with each other and I thought it was going to come to blows. Luckily, it didn't, and everything just cooled down afterwords. It puts everyone involved in a difficult position, and I think it should be ok for everyone to express their viewpoints. I also agree with Gary that it was at his field and he will handle it.

In my opinion, the most important thing is that whatever happened (I wasn't at the field on Sunday so I don't exactly know) with whoever was involved realizes they were wrong and obviously feels bad about it. As long as they learn something from it, it is not a loss. If the involved members of whatever happened hopped on the board and starting cussing, swearing, and pointing fingers... then I could see some definate corrective measure.

[nemesis]

I know i am posting late however i have every right to post

I know things happen at fields and it is both of our faults ok

however you guys sit there and make a deal out of it and dont think to yourselves this could have happened to me... (NS This is where i think you are trying to make a point I HOPE)

we all need to think about it... It does take two people to argue or fight or what ever it be... I also know that it isnt always going to be those two same people it could have just as easily been any one of you guys in either of those positions (minus the condition at the end)

so dont say sit there and think about what you did... when in actuality you should put yourself in the situation and say what if this could have happened to me...

we were wrong i admit it but just put yourself in the situation and as john and i discussed try and think of other ways around the situation

[Maple]

Since it is most likely my post that started this crabcakes, I'll pipe in.

Coming to blows over a game is wrong. Hitting somebody several times in retaliation for what was mistaken as an attack is wrong. Especially since they didn't throw any punches after the first mistakenly percieved punch is wrong.

I was speaking of my opinion, rather than trying to put words in people's mouths. Never once did I tell Gary to ban anybody from the field. What he does with his field is his business (literally) and nobody elses.

personally, I think anybody with a physical condition shouldn't go off half cocked and start swinging. Not only can it potentially hurt you by raising your blood pressure, but you could also pick a fight with the wrong person and get arrestted, get messed up bad, etc.

Like I said before, I'm glad you guys worked it out, especially since it was a misunderstanding. But I am wary of taking to the field with a guy who is willing to start swinging when tempers get raised.
-mat schmidt

[RTO]

...but if you do ban me i WILL make airsoft a bad name because noone gave me a chance to express my feelings towards it...

why are you going to give airsoft a bad name if you get "banned" from any field or the forums? from what it sounds like, gary has it taken care of and he even said nobody was banned. stuipd remark and kind of childish IMO. but thats just me

please, think seriously about what your saying and what you do. just because you had a bad run in once, doesn't mean you go off and give something a bad name because appropriate action was taken against you when something was done wrong.

personally, its done, overwith.. we dont' live in the past, but we learn from it. put it aside, let it die, and have fun is all i gotta say. hope to see you out there again, hopefully, and good luck to you.

[Maple]

What is scareing me about this whole thing is that the vast majority of people are taking the "it's okay, mistakes happen" route with this.
Is hitting somebody 3 times a mistake? Even if you are argueing?
A mistake to me is doing something stupid out of lack of knowledge or by accident. Hitting somebody doesn't accidentally happen. Hitting somebody doesn't happen due to a lack of knowledge.
So since it seems to be okay with the vast majority of people, should I look forward to fists being thrown everytime there is a disagreement on the field? Is this really what airsoft in WI is coming to? Should I reccomend that the WAA rules be re-written to include a section on "appropriate usage of ones fists in the event of a disagreement"?
Come on people. Use your noggins a bit. I have kick-boxed for over half my life and I have learned when it is okay to hit somebody. And unless there is a ring and a referee, the airsoft field is not an okay place.
-mat schmidt

[RTO]

What is scareing me about this whole thing is that the vast majority of people are taking the "it's okay, mistakes happen" route with this.
Is hitting somebody 3 times a mistake? Even if you are argueing?
A mistake to me is doing something stupid out of lack of knowledge or by accident. Hitting somebody doesn't accidentally happen. Hitting somebody doesn't happen due to a lack of knowledge.
So since it seems to be okay with the vast majority of people, should I look forward to fists being thrown everytime there is a disagreement on the field? Is this really what airsoft in WI is coming to? Should I reccomend that the WAA rules be re-written to include a section on "appropriate usage of ones fists in the event of a disagreement"?
Come on people. Use your noggins a bit. I have kick-boxed for over half my life and I have learned when it is okay to hit somebody. And unless there is a ring and a referee, the airsoft field is not an okay place.
-mat schmidt

well said, well said.
i only wish i was that good with thinking and using my head to say something like that.

i'm not taking sides on this, i'm not saying any person was right, i'm just simply gathering facts and understanding now that a fight happened over a stuipd "bang" and a fist fight happend.

honestly, shaz like this happens all the time, and how do we reslove it? a simple sorry and move on, and i think its been done here so lets do it ppl, COME ON, say it with me! i'm sorry, i forgive, i'm moving on

[Tank]

As has aready been said. The WAA has rules about this sort of thing. Those rules should be followed, & the breaking of those rules should be delt with acording to the rules/bylaws, etc.

That being said, I don't know how much could really be done seeing as (correct me if I'm wrong) MP5user is not an actual WAA member. Nor was the game officially sanctioned by the WAA.

Personally, I don't think anyone with a heart condition,especially one who can't control thier temper, has any business playing this type of a sport.
But that's just me, and I'm an asshole.

[Maple]

RTO, please don't think my last post was targeting you. It wasn't.
It appears that a number of people here have decided that I am in the wrong with my opinion. Let us take a look at my original post from last night:

"Since I wasn't there, I won't say much, other than this:"

Note, I mention I wasn't there. So pointing it out is kind of silly, since I brought it up.

"Arguing at a game: not cool."

Notice how I said arguing is not cool. I have argued with people at games before and it gets you nowhere. Other than making you look like an asshat infront of your airsoft peers.

"Throwing punches: not only not cool, but it's illegal. You're lucky police officers weren't involved."

Even though sorry's were said, are some of you really trying to justify that hitting a person is okay, as long as you say sorry after words. If so, I gotta start hitting more people, because I tell my wife sorry all the time, even though I don't always mean it.

"I'm glad you guys worked it out, but it is still unacceptable to throw punches at a game. NO MATTER WHAT!"

Check it out, I said that it's cool that they worked it out, but re-iterated my point that punching people is not okay.

"If Gary is nice enough to invite you back to a game, you better buy him a fruit basket or something, because personally, mistake or not, behavior like that should keep a person permanently barred from airsoft. PERIOD!"

Lastly, did I tell Gary to ban anybody from the field. Nope. In fact, I suggested buying him a present for being cool about it. And if you notice, I say the word "personally" before suggesting what type of action I would take. Personally means that I was using my own opinion, rather than putting words in anybody elses mouths.

To be honest, I don't care if you all think I am an asshole. Because sometimes, I am. Here's an idea, if you are a WAA member, petition to have me booted off the WAA for stating my opinions about how airsoft should be played. If you are a field owner, bar me from your field if you don't like my opinion. If you are my teammates, kick me off the team for stating my opinion if you don't like it. If you are my friend, stop talking to me if my opinion doesn't suit you.
But if you are just going to sit back and say everything is okay, then you are going to have to deal with me stating my opinion.
And words of warning, if you ever decide to swing at me at a game, you won't have to worry about me swinging back. I know I can hurt people if i have to, I choose not to though. What you will have to deal with is the back of a squad car and a hefty fine. Is any arguement over airsoft worth an Assualt and Battery charge?
-mat schmidt

[Guerilla Dan]

Remember those commercials for Super Smash Brothers? You know, the N64 version? They had those cool suits like..Mario...Pikachu..Yoshi, and Kirby...we should round up some cash and buy some of them, and dress up. And then we can all kick each other's asses and throw each other off of the Great Fox when we get angry. The best part of it is, you just explode into a Geyser of Light, and then respawn, on a cool floating HARBL.

[RTO]

A little humor is always nice, I must admit, after getting up off the floor from laughing, I do remember those days and wish it was all like that, lol

[Venus]

There was a lot said here that was good and a lot that bothers me. Maple is completly right, fighting should be kept in rings or life saving situations. The part that gets me is that all of your are like "this is ok, dont worry about it... gary took care of it". Thats not good enough for me. Rules are rules. I am not saying that anyone needs to be banned. But someone needs to be punished. I dont care if you say you are "sorry". Why dont I care, because people lie. People lie all the time, and thats why I dont trust people. And yes, its not good that I assume that of all people, but I do. From what I have gathered, what happened on that field was not by any stretch of the imagination handled in an adult mannor. It was handled childishy and I am upset about it. Now, if I'm not mistaken Gary "abides" by the WAA rules. You now have to have a AEC to play on the field if you are under 18, and last time I checked fighting on the field had consequences. At minimum there should have been a suspension. A couple of games, a couple of months, whatever it be, there should be punishment for wrong actions. This display of behavior doesnt set any kind of example for the younger players. All it says is that you can break the rules and as long as you "say you are sorry" then everything is hunky dory. Uh uh, not cool. I am disapointed that no action had been taken by the WAA and that Gary was able to "take care of it" by himself. I mean no disrespect, but since when has your power exceded that of the Association who's rules you are to abide by?? All of these questions, and no real answers from anyone. Unbelieveable. And newmp5user, why would you want to "make a bad name for airsoft"?? So you may have screwed up and were punished for it, and that somehow gives you a right to retaliate?? I dont think so. Also, if I were "In that situation" my first response would be "Dude, what did you do that for?" If they say "what are you talking about?" Then drop it! Last but not least. I understand you (newmp5user) wanting to keep your privacy about a heart condition. Truth is, there are a couple of people that need to know. The field ower first of all and who ever is OC. That way if a call about you being unconcious comes over the radio there is no hesitaion at all, they know the seriousness of the condition and can call for medical assistance if it is needed.

[Beasthunter33]

Sorry Maple but you weren't there and you should get your facts straight before you start posting about it. First NewMP5User didn't hit Nemesis three times, he banged three people after charging to Alpha bunker. Second there wasn't really even a fight, he tried to throw one punch got restrained by someothers on the scene who WERE THERE and ended up on the ground. I also would like to say sorry for shooting you MP5User, it was me who shot you from Hotel, I was not aware you were already out as I had beleived you had banged them and were still playing, I hope to see you out on the field again.

That is all I am gonna say on this topic for now, It has been settled by the two parties, Gary has had his say in the matter (as well he should as it is his field), and It should be done with, DONE, not let's talk about this somemore and compare notes but DONE. I don't think this thread should be deleted for it does contain some useful information that should be saved for others to see, but I think it should at least be closed, either by a Moderator, or by NewMP5User if he sees fit.

Good night all and hope to see you on the field again soon.

[RTO]

OMFG!!!!!!!!! GIVE IT UP ALREADY! Who cares about details, he is stating his opinion. He clearly said that. Just stop, hey zuez christ!

[Guerilla Dan]

Minna wa kodomo da nyaaaaa ~____~

[Maple]

NO I WASN'T THERE!!!
How many more times do I have to say it.
I WAS NOT THERE!!!
one more....
I WASN'T THERE!!!

My point is, taking a swing at another person is wrong! Even if it didn't connect.

I know Gary handled it as he see's fit. I am not calling into question Gary, his field, or how he does things. He owns the field, he can do things however he see's fit. And I am sure he handled them just fine.
Stop trying to stir sh-t up between Gary and I. If you can point out were I said Gary did this or that wrong, please do. So Beasthunter33, stop trying to start a fight between Gary and me.

I am sorry that most of you disagree with me. How about this. i will make a poll where you can vote as to whether or not I should quite airsoft because I think it is wrong to hit people.
-mat schmidt

[Venus]

I vote that hitting people is wrong and you should keep playing!

[Maple]

The poll is up. Please vote.

[Kerrik13]

I don't know if it's my place to comment again on this situation but I just wanted to state that I have read everything fairly well and I completely agree with Maple. I believe his comments were fair, the opinion he posted was his, and he was mindful of all parties involved but truthful in his details.

I think one thing that is hard for people to relate to is an event where something serious, like someone physically harming someone else, has taken place.

[Guerilla Dan]

I vote go back to grade school and learn how to resolve public conflicts.

[NATHANIELJONESTHUGANGEL]

dont worry mp5user, as long as long as Peter Ueberroth hasn't joined the WAA you shouldnt end up like this.



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[Venus]

Must resist laughing.... ok not... ROLMFAO!

[Guerilla Dan]

Must..resist..spam...

._. IIIEEEEEEEE DA YOOOOOOO!!!!!!

[Venus]

Hahahahahhahahahahahaha!!!

[NATHANIELJONESTHUGANGEL]

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[Beasthunter33]

OK I am sorry I am not trying to stir **** up as you put I am just trying to say that it is done with and while we shouldn't just forget about it what else is there to say? I think everyone so far has posted all that needed to be said and I am saying that it should just end there.

And I do agree with you Maple fist-fighting is never a way to end an arguement, it just looks bad and is not necessary at all. Now do you understand what I am saying or am I still being an Idiot.

[Guerilla Dan]

ONE. Just ONE. I have to make it count.


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[NATHANIELJONESTHUGANGEL]

No Dw You Cant Drive Ol Aarons Dream Machine.

[Venus]

ONE. Just ONE. I have to make it count.


http://thedeviantmrk.250free.com/gtfo.jpg

HAHAHA... ah well this was fun... but i got better things to do... like sleep

[Guerilla Dan]

Yeah, I'm gonna stop before I get carried away.

[DKruse]

I'm going to make these three comments:

1) Fighting solves nothing, it is an act of foolishness unless in self defense, or boxing terms (as long as it's for sport/fun and safety is involved in the boxing aspect). But the act of forgiveness is empowering.

2) The Wargame Field LLC is not owned by the WAA, and under no federal, state, or local law does it require to follow the WAA rules or orders, and thus, the only one to decide rules is the owner, who happens to be Gary, if Gary says he handled it, we cannot do anything but accept that. We do not need to know how it was handled, but as long as Gary handled it.

3)"I have got no further than this: Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth, and every other man has a right to knock him down for it."
-Samuel Johnson

Maple has every right to give his opinion on any matter posted in this public forum. The U.S. Constitution does not apply to the internet, but the WAA has created this forum so those that are registered may reply to posts, and thus, grants anyone who is registered the right to speak in these sections. But Maple, don't get mad if someone bashes your opinion, it's happened to me, all you do is make a simple choice: 1) stop posting on the subject and just ignore them or 2) keep fighting for what you believe. I don't think anyone wants you to quit airsoft, and I think a lot of people loves your input on things, and your way of realism (not like.. milsim, but I mean your ability to think about reality instead of just ideas... imagination.)

But the big question is...
Who really won?
NOBODY

A lot of stupid things were said, some good things were said, but overall... it was the same sentences constantly being repeated...

[Maple]

... or am I still being an Idiot.

At no point did I call you an idiot.

Ker- Well said. I don't care if people disagree with me, I am just having a hard time wrapping my head around why people think that throwing a punch, or as some have called it a "mistake", is okay if you say "I'm sorry" afterwards.

Like I stated before, if you think I am out of order, talk to the WAA Grievance board. You have the right, since I am a member. Or just vote yes on the poll, and I will gladly abide by it.
-mat schmidt

[RTO]

argh.. mom do i have to keep reading?



i'm done, its been beatin now to death and now it seems just a lil "redundant" to keep posting the same crap over and over

good luck everyone here who thinks that is ok now just because they said they are sorry, you have a LONG life ahead of you

to the rest, its been fun! but its gettin boring now

[Guerilla Dan]

/r MOAR ZAKU PIX PLOZ

[bear]

I would like to ask those who are arguing with maple to step off his nuts. Hes done nothing wrong and your acting like a bunch of three year olds.

[newMP5user]

this post can stay open i dont care let it be up to the mods. secondly maple i dont know you that well, but you are coming off as an a-hole to me... so what you've been in kickboxing for half your life, I have fought in the ring and have taken kickboxing for 5 years, big F'in deal. DROP YOUR EGO
Beasthunter - its ok i actually was still live so there for i was technically out when the punching was supposidly thrown. and what if you were in that situation? im sure you would act differently when the heat is on. anywho about the "i WILL make it a bad name" i only said it cause EVERYONE that said something negative was being directed towards me... everyone always looks down on the guy who THREW the punch or what not never the guy who starts it.
me and nemesis have talked threw here and on the phone yes the phone people and we are cool with it. so drop the whole danged ol' conversation. ive never hit someone since like 10th grade and that was because he talked **** about my gf and family so ha!
and yes i do feel bad about it so there, no i dont condone more hitting on the field... but hey i had to get shocked 3 times with 11 joules of power. i think ive been threw enough. im the one that was wrong, im the one that will be paying for the ambulance ride, and im going to be paying for the xray test, blood test, hospital bills, etc. etc. YOU DONT and yes i should have thought about it better, I WAS WRONG so eat me.


please drop it.

[Maple]

secondly maple i dont know you that well, but you are coming off as an a-hole to me... so what you've been in kickboxing for half your life, I have fought in the ring and have taken kickboxing for 5 years, big F'in deal. DROP YOUR EGO


My ego....pfftt.
I know I am coming off as an asshat, because I am disagreeing with you hitting somebody.
As for me mentioning kickboxing, I was merely stating that although I know how to fight, I don't. Neither should anybody else, unless it's in the ring.
I'm sorry that you have a heart condition. I really am. No BS. I can feel for people with medical conditions, and I hope you are feeling better.

The whole point of me posting was to say that I am not cool with your actions. even if somebody had punched you, there are proper channels to go through, rather than resorting to violence. I am glad you and nemesis have settled your differences. Like I have said several times before.

The one thing I still hold strong to is that what you did was wrong. yes I wasn't there. No, I didn't see it happen. But I know that somebody threw a punch at a airsoft game. Which is wrong.

You're right, you don't know me, so most likely I seem like an ass, because I like to call people out on the boards. At the same time, I also forgive people who make mistakes, as they me.
So I stand behind what I have said. I don't feel like I have come off any harsher than I should have. If you don't want to be my friend, that's fine. I can be a dick, and people don't have to like me for it.
-edit
But, with that said, I hope you are okay and have learned a something (other than I can be an ass) from all of this. I'll leave this alone now, unless somebody wants to debate me for having an opinion.

Let me summarize:
Arguing- bad
Punching people- bad
Putting words in my mouth about what i did or didn't say- bad
Trying to start a fight between me and Gary- bad
Undercooked chili-dogs- bad
-edit-

-mat schmidt

[knob]

Let me summarize:
Arguing- bad
Punching people- bad
Putting words in my mouth about what i did or didn't say- bad
Trying to start a fight between me and Gary- bad
Undercooked chili-dogs- bad
-edit-

-mat schmidt

AND
Getting shot in the nuts a few times in a row as maple knows so much about- priceless..

[bear]

The only thing maple has said is that he disagrees with fighting. You should never have a reason on the airsoft field to resort to physical violence. The metioning of kickboxing in my opinion could be used as an example for showing restraint. Just because you have the ability to do something which for maple could be beating ass doesnt meen you should. Hes done nothing wrong, he stated his opinion, and all Ive seen is people over reacting and calling him and Ass Hole. Which is not cool personal insults are just as unsecessary at this point as fighting is.


edit* just for the record, maple is not an ass hole. He is in fact a good guy you should really not judge him based on his posting.

[Maple]

AND
Getting shot in the nuts a few times in a row as maple knows so much about- priceless..
Thanks for reminding me of the pain..... :cry: They hurt just thinking about it.

But like I said, I'll let it all go. It was dealt with at the field, we have all spoken our minds, and I can only repeat myself so many times before i sound like a broken record.
In the end, I can empathize with people who have a serious medical condition. I hope no lasting injuries come out of this for MP5user or anybody else.
I stand behind what I have said, and will continue to. Just because I am an ass on the boards, doesn't mean I can't forgive/ forget.
Sadly, what most of you probably don't realize is that I care about airsoft. I care about the people who play airsoft. I care about the people who host airsoft games and own fields that we play on. Maybe I care about this hobby too much. But I have found something in airsoft that I haven't found in the other sports/ hobbies that I do. A sense of teamwork and comradirie (sp?) and don't want to see it go the way of the dinosaur.
Yes, I am quick to jump on people who do stupid things, because all it takes is one or two bad incidences and airsoft could go away. So yes, i am an ass when it comes to certain things. And yes, I can be a really nice guy too.
But the one thing I never do is keep my mouth closed when I feel that I have something to say. Just ask my boss at my job.
So no ill will towards anybody. If I offended you, please take it all in stride.
And with that ....... Seacrest out.
-mat schmidt

[Vigilante]

As far as making airsoft a bad name, I think this thread already is. Since the press reads this board, so some people claim, wouldn't they really take this to heart as most of the people on this thread posted and really think that our sport is just a cluster **** of violence? Now, getting anyone on the net and reading this thread, that would be what I would think.

[NATHANIELJONESTHUGANGEL]

http://www2.foxsports.com/obits/earnhardt/images/crash4.jpg


HOLY ****, DID YOU GUYS SEE THAT?

[Tank]

...but hey i had to get shocked 3 times with 11 joules of power. i think ive been threw enough. im the one that was wrong, im the one that will be paying for the ambulance ride, and im going to be paying for the xray test, blood test, hospital bills, etc. etc. ...

:cry: :cry: :cry:
So am I'm supposed to feel sorry for you now??

You brought that on yourself. You get no sympathy from me.

[garyb]

Just to set the record straight without infringing on people rights to privacy.
I did followup on the incident last sunday, just after it happened and on the phone later that night. I spoke with the parties involved and several witnesses.
Having been a Police Officer for 30 years I am well aware of what constitutes a battery and what is a verbal argument.
I do have a rule which states no physcial contact between players, and if this had occured action would have been taken.
According to what I heard on sunday the action I took was based on no battery took place, and no one was banned from the field.
I will not go into details but that was my decision at the time, and no further action will take place. To me the incident is closed.
As I stated to all persons at the field after this occured if you can not have fun playing this GAME I do not want you at my field, please find some place else to play.

[Crisis]

if someone pointed an aeg at my face at point blank range i dont think there would be any civilized cell left in my body, at that point you are going to protect yourself in any way possible, its a hostile action that throws you into a defensive mode and i wouldnt blame anyone for defending themselves, in fact this could have turned into two guys shooting eachother in the face at point blank had john done the same thing. I know if it were me in his shoes I would have done the same thing, theres a fine line there and when its crossed no man can be expected to remain calm.

I dont think the actions of the fight are the real problem, men will fight its in their blood, but it should not have come to it in the first place. It takes mature and honest people to play airsoft, call when your hit and not cheat, we all rely on this to have a good game and everyone who plays is expected to follow it. I saw the whole thing first hand, it was just an argument between two people until the gun was raised. That was the factor that started the physical contact, and if you expect people not to defend themselves in that type of situation then I think you should ponder how you would act at that split second.