BHD - Battle of Mogadishu

[Professor]

So I don't have to redo all the previous discussion...


Here is a link to the previous thread -

Old Site BHD Thread (http://wiairsoft.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=3176&PN=1)


Click above...

[Spaz]

Count me in for this one Prof. Where ever you've decided to put Tiger Recon, slot me in.

[Professor]

Spaz - Tiger Recons requested being RANGERS...so guess what :D

[Ben]

So professor, any news on wheather or not the black hawk down skirmish will be a morning op, a miday-dusk op, or an overnighter?

[KA-JJ]

I very much doubt it will be an overnighter

[Professor]

It's looking like if we change the schedule it would be early afternoon into early evening event. Will confirm everything soon.

[JoshK]

It's looking like if we change the schedule it would be early afternoon into early evening event. Will confirm everything soon.

That would be much better for me...I would prefer something like 12-sometime in the evening.

I think I might be able to come. Just let me double check my calandar, and see if I can get a ride.

(this means that I have decided not to sell my mp5 :))

[Viper]

I know that a noon to 8pm game would be great for us. :D Plus the guys can sleep in then. They think I'm hard on them because we have to leave at 6am to be to the Lair by 9am.........darn bunch of sallys ;)

[Kennedy]

I know that a noon to 8pm game would be great for us. :D Plus the guys can sleep in then. They think I'm hard on them because we have to leave at 6am to be to the Lair by 9am.........darn bunch of sallys ;)

Viper, we know your pain.

[Black_Kade]

Same here man.

[Professor]

In memory of the Battle of Mogadishu on Oct. 3, 1993...

"There's no doubt that the perception people have of this episode is that it was a total fiasco. But this was a successfully completed mission. … The failure was Clinton's decision to pull out the day after this happened. The truth is he lacked the kind of moral personal force that it took to persuade Congress and the American people that even though this is not popular, we have to do it." —Bowden, in an interview with Elizabeth Snead, reporting for the Washington Post.

Where:
Wargame Room field
When:
Saturday Sept 17th, 1300 (1:00pm) hours - arrive between 11:30am & 12:00pm to gear up. Event will run till approx 1900 (7:00pm) continously.
Cost:
$15 (includes entry fee and 1 raffle ticket for the end of event drawing of a GBB pistol and other fun airsoft stuff
Extra Raffle tickets: $5 for 1 or $10 for 3
Requirements:
Ages 15-18 - a parental permission form must be filled out, also stating if it is okay that you can be in the gun raffle. All ages must fill out a waiver which can be found @ WWW.THEWARGAMEROOM.COM

We will start at 1300 hours sharp, adding in late comers as they arrive.

Skirmish concepts:
1) Retrieve Mohamed Farrah Aidid’s Lieutenant’s
2) Extraction ambushed on exit
3) We have a Blackhawk down
4) Move to secure the perimeter
5) Another bird is down
6) Trapped in the city
7) UN forces to the rescue

To run this skirmish I will require the following participants -

a) 16 Rangers - 4 Chalks of 4 each to cover perimeter (prefer Woodland BDUs or Desert)
4 Chalk Leads:
1) Viper - Cpt Mike Steele
2) Joker - 1st Lt Tom DiTomasso
3) - Sgt. First Class Sean Watson
4) Ka-JJ - Staff Sgnt Matt Eversmann
Extraction Convoy Team
1) Benne181 - LtCol Danny McKnight
2) Darksylence - SSgrnt Dave Wilson

- Team RIOT (count unknown)
- Backdraft
- Nemesis
- Tony2544
- KA-JJ
- Mr Crow
- other Tiger Recon (count unknown)
- Dogboy (possible)
- Joker
- MERT (count unknown)
- SemperFox and friend
- StelthTurkey and AaronSI
- Reconz (3 to 5)

*If the count of RANGERs gets too excessive I may have to place some people in another role (maybe Somali) - so bring a non-bdu (civilian) shirt along just in case, please.

b) 8 or more Delta Boys - to capture Aideed's Lts and attempt to save Mike Durant (OD BDUs and black helmets and LBVs).
2 Delta Boys @ Super64 crash site
1) Paul - Sergeant First Class Randy Shughart
2) Chris - Master Sergeant Gary Gordon
- Night Stalker
- Timmay
- Paul@Apoc
- Circus
- Batman
- Wrex
- Beest (likely)
- Rogue (likely)
- Lang (likely)
- Tank (possible)
- Guerilla Dan
- Bear
- Cobra
- Black_kade

c) Numerous individuals playing as Somalis (street clothes)
2 Habr Gidr lieutenants and others meeting attendees
1)Col Maple - Mohammed Hassan Awale
2)BlackPuma - Omar Salad
3)PsychoVanac
4)DoubleZ
- Col Maple
- AirsoftCommando
- PsychoVanac
- UAF, Psycho-halo, etc (count unknown)
- C-4 (possible count of 4)
- giro99 (possible)
- Pale Horse (current count of 6)
- Uriel
- James Byrnes and Robert Meyers


d) Small Ranger crew for extract of Lts.(prefer Woodland BDUs or Desert)
- ***Same people playing the Ranger Chalks setting up perimeters for the takedown


e) Medium contigent of UN Forces for final rescue (prefer non-US BDUs) Will also play as Somalians in other parts of event.
- Element

Undefined as of yet, but signed up to attend
- ?
Please begin signing up here now...

[RTO]

hooah!! i'm all for this still. Professor, I am the AaronSI under convoy extract team, just so you know who that is. I think that was my name on the old forum boards, i am unsure though cuz i barely used them as is. so just so you know for an information upadte.

it'll be great to see you all there, and it'll be nice to have th game start a little later in teh day i guess, lol, i just gotta get me a pair of clear glasses to use instead of my tinted guarder ones! lol

any way I can help out prof., just let me know and i'll help out. black_kade and i live right next to each other so we are always at your disposal!

[JoshK]

Do you still need this person?

3) - Sgt. First Class Sean Watson

I will be him. :) Or whoever you need.

[Iceman]

I'll be there as a skinny, and the time that you're putting the game on for sounds excellent. nice to not have to get up at 4:45 to make it to a skirm!:D

[Maple]

Hey Prof.
Are the skinnies going to be able to go back to the safe area to re-supply? Just wondering, since we are going to be playing the roll of 1000s of skinnies and we would have virtually unlimited supplies of ammo.
Also, is there going to be a cap on the amount of ammo the Rangers are carrying? Something along the lines of "no backpacks full of bbs", or "all bbs must be loaded in mags or loading devices" rather than have a bag of ammo sitting in your gear?

[KA-JJ]

sorry prof, i am on bed rest for 5 weeks with a ruptured spleen, so please remove me from the roster. I wont be able to play for a minimum of 3 months. Sorry everyone...

[darksylence]

u panzy ... walk it off ;)

[Maple]

A ruptured spleen!!! Next time, watch what you say to Crow, that guy will knife you at the drop of a hat.
Hope you feel better Kajagoogoo.

[KA-JJ]

thanks maple, im in alot more pain now that they took me off the morphine hehe :(

[darksylence]

im sure there is something else u could get to help ease the pain if u know what i mean ...

[Maple]

Like a lap dance from Bill Cosby????

[RTO]

if you need someone to replace Staff Sgnt Matt Eversmann (Ka-JJ) i'll be your man if you need me to. its nice to step up every once in a while and, its been a while, lol, so i'm voulentering.

this game will be friggin awesome! or at least its the best that i will have ever been too, including ones in the future.

[Night Stalker]

Prof- Rogue, and Beest are a GO.

[Maple]

The girl is a nice touch Stalker. :o

[Viper]

:D NS never ceases to crack me up......LOL

[Razor]

I pm'd you before but myself, Raspootin, & seppeku will volunteer to be Somali/UN force.

[Night Stalker]

Prof,...... Gunney is also a "GO"!

[OverKill]

Ok I am a go for this game as well stick me where needed just let me know so I ca dress the part.

[Professor]

Sorry guys - been tied up (Maple I know what you're thinking so stop). Anyway, heres some replies to some postings...


Col Maple asked about the Somalians and their ability to return to the safe zone to replenish their ammo, etc. My thought is that they will be able to replenish ammo etc from a spot on the field which will most likely be their regen location. BTW, the US Forces cannot take that position nor stake it out. This will enable us to replicate the number of hostile forces encountered.

For those of you (NS, Razor, others...) who are sending me new attendance information or updating me on team rosters...please keep it up. Unfortunately I cannot edit a prior posting so I will just have to say thanks as you send them.

RTO - you got the Eversmann part...sorry JJ.

Last, all new registrations will be Somalian...except at the end a select grouping of some RANGERS and also some people playing Somalians will become UN forces. I'll let you know at the field whose roles will change and when/how I'll notify you of the time to change.
...so, Overkill, you're a Somalian who may become UN at the end.

[dantheman]

count me among the enemy please even though I'm not very skinny

[Night Stalker]

Dan, I thought you were going to be with Delta?

[dantheman]

I want to be on Delta but wasn't sure if I could be because Prof said that anyone registering now would have to play somalian If I can switch to be with the Delta boys just let me know Prof because I would rather go about it that way sorry if this causes any headaches or anything :cry:

[Night Stalker]

I thought you had already posted you were going before this. It may not be a problem but I cannot speak for Prof though.
Reason I asked is you are a prospective TFD member, so you know. But we will let Prof weigh in and see the verdict. His show ya know. ;) :D

[Professor]

So, if I read this right you actually want him (DanthaMan), huh NS? I guess you can have him if you want him, but this is the last exception ;) :D :o

Whois this Dan guy anyway? Any relation to Guerilla Dan?

[reconSamurai]

ReconZ will probly be going as Somolians.
Get a chance to be the "enemy", and not be on the same team as TFD for once ;)

[Professor]

Thanx Recons! Always can use more OP4...

[Stylin7]

add me where needed, skinnies by the looks of it.

[dantheman]

thanx prof you have replaced martha stewart as my #1 hero ;) :D

[Professor]

Dan - do I get an "anklet" from you? :s


Oh, and stylin - better get skinny if yer not ;)

[Night Stalker]

Yeah, we want Dan the Man. I mean taking him on our side is the only right thing to do. His check DID clear so.....

[Professor]

I'm almost afraid to ask what he bought with that check :o

[dantheman]

Yeah, we want Dan the Man. I mean taking him on our side is the only right thing to do. His check DID clear so.....

So that's where my checkbook went :D

[Viper]

So Prof, what is the current count up to ?

[Professor]

It's approx 40-45 people.

[SPANKY *AK-47*]

make that 42-47, my best friend and i will be tagging along with Black_Kade

[RTO]

ah ha haaa.. the good doctor and spanky are going to be skinnies.. this will be fun!!

just givin ya ____ jake.

any clue as to how many skinnies we have so far prof? i'm just wondering how many times i'm going to have to keep killing the same person over and over before i go insane

lol, this is going to be good if its what i'm thinking it'll turn out to be

[Viper]

Prof,
This is going to be a blast. Have you figured out the OC issue yet?

[Professor]

Right now the OCs are ME...I'm waiting to hear from one other and would be interested in hearing from at least one more.

[Viper]

Not to repeat myself, but couldn't the idea of making the Chalk leaders OC's work ? After all, all the information was given to them and they had to direct their forces. Once again, just an idea. ;)

[SPANKY *AK-47*]

hey RTO while im shooting you, ill be shure to scream alalalalalalalalala

[PePe]

How the hell did i become the good doctor????

[SPANKY *AK-47*]

remeber that day when we were gonna make a movie, and you dressed up as a doctor...

[PePe]

ah yes and i will be a skinny too so count me in

[PePe]

when does this go till???¿¿¿

[Guerilla Dan]

remeber that day when we were gonna make a movie, and you dressed up as a doctor...


Uhhmm...... ._.

[Night Stalker]

Yeah, that didn't sound too good. lol funny though.

Anyway, looking forward to this game!

[SigPro552]

I am tenatively there. I might be able to make that one cuz i think i can come back from college that weekend.

[Zorro]

I'm gonna have to say.... I'm in.

[SigPro552]

Im assuming that Zorro and I will be Somalians since we just informed you that we can attend. What should we wear?

[Maple]

Anyway, looking forward to this game!

I'm not looking forward to getting my "skinny" ass shot up all day by TFD. I should've asked to be a Ranger instead of Hassan Awale. I guess I made my own bed. Crap! :)

[Professor]

Viper - the team leads will act as observers for "innappropriate" activity but not full OCs. Right now it looks like me and one other who will come and make any final decisions in conjunction with GaryB of course - he owns the land and has last word.


SigPro and Zorro - you guys will be skinnies until then end when I need UN forces. Then you'll join up with Element and Doc.

Maple - yeah yer bed...ooppsss, that sounds kinda like the "doctor" comment.

Anyway, keep in mind, the Somalians will have nearly unlimited regens with some restrictions so as to replicate a city's population of angry citizens. The US forces will have medic rules that I will explain. Both sides may have some "time out" rules ;)

More info to come...

[Viper]

Sounds good to me.

[Byrnzy]

You guys are most likley don't know me, im byrnes, "byrnzy" and can't wait to join in on the action. Just wanted to post something so you guys would know who i am :] .

[SigPro552]

Cool, look forward to seeing you there man.

[Stelthturkey]

yea, light you up a few, or the opposite; whatever works.

[DKruse]

Professor, I think you should maybe add civilians if you have too many of one side and don't want to add on to the other too much, because as you know, they fought in Mogadishu, which is the capital of Somalia ;) so there was a large amount of civilians present throughout the entire battle (though some had sided with the skinnes, there were still some neutral :P )

-Damian Kruse
Sergeant - SilverWolves

[Vanac]

Prof, since UAF merged with TFD...we need to be added to that team. So all TFD is on the same team.

[Valentine]

sweet i cant wait for this game :D

[RTO]

wont' that merge between TFD and UAF kinda screw up numbers for sides?

[Night Stalker]

yeah, I think you might be right about that one.

Prof, I guess look at it, and if it does, we can divide the team up so it helps you out. Don't want to ruin the game.

[Guerilla Dan]

I can be a skinny if I have to.

[Professor]

UAF originally signed up as Somalians - I'd prefer that they, for this event, remain as they originally signed up and not operate as DELTA operators along with the rest of TFD. They will have plenty of time to skirm with TFD in the future.

Otherwise, NS how many TFD participants are your expecting? I had planned for 4 Little Bird Flights of 4 troopers each = 16 HVT take-down personnel and additional troopers riding with the RANGER extract team - Uniform64 with Benne181 as Col MCnight. Based on that, original TFD participants should expect to fill out those positions with the exception of you and Paul who will be prestaged for the crash site of Super64 and UAF should continue to plan on being Somalilans.

[Professor]

Okay Guys - heres some pre-event information.

The event sequence will be as follows -

1) Arrive between 1130 and 1200 hrs.
2) Gear up
3) Chrono of all guns
4) RANGER, DELTA, and Somalian team photos
5) Special player identification and coordination
6) Event rules and safety reading - 1300 hrs
7) Team placements
8) Game play commences at approx 1330 hrs
9) Game play ends at approx 1900 hrs.


Medic / Regen Rules:

US Forces -
1) There will be four medics with 2 medic cards per US player. Once medic cards run out the players will return to a specified regen location and await return until a contingent of six players are there before returning. US Forces will then be able to regen in this fashion for two more instances. If, several US Forces are killed beyond this regen, other plans will be utilized to ensure event continuation. Medic cards may be "acquired" by Somalians thereby removing them from the usable inventory.

Somalians -
2) Unlimited regeneration by returning to their regen location and waiting for groups of 2 to return.

Skirmish success will be determined by -
a) Safely taking down the high value targets and extracting them to a designated location.
b) Safely recovering any survivors of Blackhawk crashes.
c) UN safe extraction of US Forces trapped in the city.

Additional "twists" in event scenarios may be encountered and may affect skirmish outcomes.

More info to be provided at event.

[RTO]

HA HA HAAAA!!! sounds good professor, i'm personally glad about the time that we arrive, lol, i get to sleep in and make sure we have everything for the skimirsh!


good luck to all that are going that will die at the mercy of my BB!;)

[SPANKY *AK-47*]

whatever you say RTO, as petty officer cheif skinny,i personnaly promise to ride my gorilla over you after we(skinnys) lite your a$$ up!! ;) LOL

RTO---->>>>> :cry:

[seppuku]

Hey Prof,

Any idea what the current numbers are at for good guys/bad guys?

[Professor]

Seppuku - since the board transition, the innability to edit previous posts and the fact that I've been traveling and working a bunch lately - I've lost track of side counts. However, the totals are somewhere around 40 to 50 players and the regen rules are designed to grant the Somalians an advantage in numbers and flexibility.

[Professor]

Additional pre-event information


1) US Forces will have a limited ammunition load out. Given that it will be likely that you may end up needing to share ammo. SO, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU MARK YOUR MAGS!!!! Use a permanant marker and write your initials somewhere on them - do NOT use colored tape to distinguish your mags as you can bet someone will use the same color.

Here are the US forces load out restrictions. These load outs are designed to replicate the fact that the mission was only supposed to last 30 minutes maximum. Each player may carry the following magazine totals initially into the skirmish (load outs will change after event begins). US forces will be able to reload when they return to the regen points after medic cards run out -

a) Maximum of (3) three HI-Cap magazines
b) or Maximum of (6) six Mid-Cap magazines
c) or Maximum of (8) eight Low/Standard Cap magazines
d) If you don't have three HI-Caps I may allow mixes such as 2 Hi-caps and 2 low caps...will be addressed on individual basis. Please follow these guides as this is an honor sport.




2) Somalians - can carry as much ammo and weapons as they can carry. However, Somalia forces CANNOT use radios.

[darksylence]

You should set a bb count, not mags. Say 3 MP5 highcaps is crap to 3 AK highcaps.

[Double Z]

hmm all of a sudden my recent purchase will work out wonderfully. particularly glad that i am a skinnie for this one. Looking forward to this game alot, i think the time difference will make it unique along with the newer rules that Prof is incorporating. Can't wait for this one guys

[Ben]

You should set a bb count, not mags. Say 3 MP5 highcaps is crap to 3 AK highcaps.

Or agent_P90 who has a box mag with 3000 pellets in it for his p90 hehe.

[RTO]

i don't see how pellets would work with an airsoft gun...;) lol

i think it shouldn't be limited, but people should use their heads.. i mean come on, if you have three hicaps then just use that, if you have a box mag or a drum mag, use common sense guys. they didn't have the drum mags on the actual BHD campaign so dont' use them. fill them half full or what. just use some common sense

[Dogboy]

Mag size shouldn't matter too much. Prof stated that resupplying can take place at the safe regen point after medic cards run out. If I understand it, US forces will be able to resupply while waiting for there group of 6 to fill for reinsertion.

[Professor]

First and foremost I'm trying to create a somewhat "life-like" circumstance under which forces operate frequently - limited load outs and periods where fire is controlled and limited to "sure hits".

I could use a variety of methods to control this, however I figured mag count would be a simple fashion. I know there are inequalities by this design, but it seemed easier than trying to count out BBs without being the ones to provide precounted bags to each player - sorry, but I don't want to sit and count BBs or dictate that people buy new bags of equal counts just for this event.

However, like the time-line for this event I am open to logical recommendations to improve the overall game play. Make your recommendations in a reasonable manner and please keep the emotions in check. I'm trying to produce an fun event for all. Honestly, I'm hoping it lives up to everyones expectations and trying hard to be sure it does.

[Night Stalker]

The load out I am not crazy about since I have the equiptment I have because that is what I want to use. But, we are able to reload at regen.. so that is a moot point. The only real issue is that Paul will actually be using a sniper rifle, so I was going to even it out with my C-mag when it is just the 2 of us at the crash site. It would be nice to last at least half as long as we are suppossed to. But we gotta go with what the lay-out of the game is I guess.

As far as the time for the game, that may be an issue that I will have to check on in the next couple of games. I know it will be an issue with Beest as well. Some of us have plans that night. I will see what I can find out though.

[Professor]

I'm not trying to be argumentative here so don't missunderstand. I am simply providing a different perspective to some othe the discussions since my load-out post:

I have played some games in which I hardly emptied two HI-caps all day and then there have been events in which I've reloaded numerous times. I seem to spend the most ammo when trying to "lay down surpressing fire".

As far as your post NS regarding "last at least half as long as we are suppossed to" - I'm going to provide you with a relatively decent location in which to protect yourselves and the "survivor" at your crash site. I am also pondering the thought of allowing the possibility of your "dragging" the survivor to a safer location. However, you may be surprised by the speed of responsiveness to your aid at your location - help may be quicker than expected. That certainly depends on the responsiveness of your fellow team mates and RANGER Chalks as well as the level of enemy resistance to their rescuing you.

In any case give me a reasonable argument to my plans and I'll take them into consideration - heck, I changed the time-line in response to the majority of replies to my ideas. Thanks for everyones patience as I try to work these kinds of issues out.

[darksylence]

I could use a variety of methods to control this, however I figured mag count would be a simple fashion. I know there are inequalities by this design, but it seemed easier than trying to count out BBs without being the ones to provide precounted bags to each player - sorry, but I don't want to sit and count BBs or dictate that people buy new bags of equal counts just for this event.

I was thinking more on the line of just what the mags are supposed to hold, instead of actually counting the bbs. Just have an ~1200bbs, so it would be 2 AK highcaps
6 MP5 highcaps
4 M16 highcaps
3 G36 highcaps
and so on...

My main concern is the MP5, but it probably will be fine. Just dont shoot alot ... so whatever is fine.

[Professor]

Hmmm DS - now I get it. Let me ponder that...that's a reasonable idea and I understand your concern for guns with much smaller capacity hi-cap mags than others. I'll get back to you.

[Stylin7]

Could that approximated bb count work for those of us that don't have multiple mags yet? This could be done by loading a mag, emptying it into a loader and repeat till the decided bb count is met.

[Professor]

Okay - based on DS's input I've come up with the following chart/guide

The idea is to have an approximate maximum US load-out of 1200 rounds

MP5 hicap = 200 rnds x 6 = 1200 rounds
M4 “ = 300 rnds x 4 = 1200
G36 “ = 470 rnds x 3 = 1410*
AK47 “ = 600 rnds x 2 = 1200
Aug “ = 300 rnds x 4 = 1200
CAM4 “ = 450 rnds x 3 = 1350*

As you can see, some magazines for some guns or by different manufacturers differ - i.e. the asterisks, in the totals, but accomplish a reasonable method of contolling the number of BBs each will carry.

Now, also please keep in mind this will be a mute point after the US medic cards run out and US forces return to regen in numbers of 6 at a time. They will then be able to carry whatever they can carry for them and for their team mates.


PLEASE, remember to label your mags as you may still possibly share mags in some situations.

[Professor]

To answer Stylin's idea - bottom line, I'm not going to have "BB Police". Please use the previous chart/guide to load out with the appropriate number of initial BBs if you are a US force team player.

His idea is a good one and if someone fits this situation and does not have multiple magazines they can load up a mag the appropriate number of times and pour them out and carry them in what ever item they have - i.e. plastic baggy, BB bottle, speed loaders, pocket...whatever.

Again, this load-out restriction could last an hour, two hours or simply 30 minutes...before it doesn't matter because the US force regen has gone into effect.

[Professor]

While I'm at it...one more event clarification for the night -

I have decided that the RANGER Chalks will be made up of one (1) Chalk Lead and four (4) RANGERS per chalk. Some chalks may be made up from individual teams who meet the needed counts and some may be made up from grouping 4 people into a chalk with a designated lead.

As well, the Delta operators will be "inserted" in four (4) groups of four (4) people as a replication of riding Little Bird skids. The RANGERS will be "inserted in four (4) groups of five (5) people with one pilot as a replication of riding in in Black Hawks.

So, I will pull from the total US forces four (4) people whom will play the role of BH pilots in the initial part of the skirm. The remaining number of US forces players, both RANGER and Delta will be grouped together to simulate the extraction convoy lead by Benne181 playing the part of Danny McKnight.

[darksylence]

what is the rule as far as US sidearms?

[Dogboy]

Any way you look at this scenario, it is going to take a lot from everyone. Prof is putting out some ground rules, but it is up to every participant to put a lot into it. Use your imagination. It isn't about how many bb's you carry, or how many "kills" you get. These guys were real gung-ho going in, but found out fast that they underestimated who they were up against. Yes the somali casualties far out weighed the US casualties. The US was better equiped, and better trained. The somali's had numbers, and determination. Try to imagine what it may have been like when you hit the field. The more imagination you put into, the more fun it will be at the end for everyone, reguardless of the number of mags you got, or the number of kills you attained.

[Viper]

Exactly Dogboy,
I have been looking at this game as more of a tribute than just a game. Face it, we are stepping into the roles of the Ranger and Delta Operators that went in thinking it was going to be a 30 minute Op and had it turn into a 15 hour fight for their survival against what seemed to be a limitless enemy. To be honest, it has been a daunting responsability that Prof has taken in trying to bring this game to life. But it will only work if we the players do what we should, the way we should.

On a personal note, I'm looking forward to hitting the field with everyone, this is bound to be a memorable occassion. But I will say this here and now, even though this is a game, all Rangers will be expected to carry out orders as if they were real Soldiers. Part of this game will hinge on the decisions of a few that affected many. As I was told when I went to basic, "There are three things you need to remember while you are here, Do as your told, do as your told, do as your told". Don't worry though, I am a decent guy and will do everything I can to ensure the we "Leave no man behind".

[Professor]

Good morning -

As DB and Viper put it, this is, at least in my mind, more than just your basic airsoft skirmish.

It is indeed an opportunity, if put in the proper perspective, to give tribute to and in some small manner "step into the boots" of men who made significant sacrifices on your behalf. These men did "what they were told"...and then they were told to pull out. Unfortunately those orders minimized the worth of the sacrafices given. These men were/are husbands, fathers, sons, etc...who "did what they were told" and in some cases gave the "most". I hope that in some small way we can honor their sacrafice.

Some of you will be assigned to follow people whom are not your team leads or even your team members, but I ask that you follow their lead as if they were you ranking officer.

Don't missunderstand, I want everyone to have fun. However, if you would enter into this event with the frame of mind that I've layed out above it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

[blackpuma]

So, us skinnies have NO ammo/gun limits whatsoever?

[Professor]

The only limits applied to you as well as those playing US forces are those we all abide by - sniper rifle >400fps, regular rifle <=400fps and all the regular safety rules...


Which reminds me - everyone REMEMBER to bring a KILL RAG!

[Viper]

I don't know if this has been said or not, but thanks Prof for undertaking this huge endeavor and honoring those that paid the ultimate sacrifice in the name of freedom. I know in some circles, what I am about to say may seem a bad idea, but I would like to request a moment of silence prior to the game, as a show of respect.

[Night Stalker]

Viper- I agree.

[SPANKY *AK-47*]

i agree as well, sound like the respectful thing to do....

[Professor]

I was already intending to do so...just like I did at the Takur Gahr event.

[Timmay]

is there any rule on sidearms?

[Maple]

I know in some circles, what I am about to say may seem a bad idea, but I would like to request a moment of silence prior to the game, as a show of respect.

If any folks from one of these types of "circles" is planning on attending, they should really re-think about coming. if you can't pay respect to the 18 soldiers that gave their lives that days, then you really shouldn't be playing in a skirm that pays homage to them.
-maple

[Professor]

Timmay - darn, somebody else brought that up and I forgot to address it. Okay, here goes for the sidearm rules -

US forces -
(1) sidearm and unlimited magzines

Somalians -
Whatever they want and can carry.

While I'm at it I should also set rules for "other" weapons -

US forces -
a) Hand grenades (approved - nothing flamable/combustable) - you may carry what you can carry.
b) Grenade launcher - you may carry how many shells you can carry.
c) Claymores - you may carry how many you can carry.

Somalians -
Whatever they want and can carry.

Now, one clarification on the phrase "you may carry how many you can carry"...I don't want to see someone wearing a ruck sack/back pack as a way to expand their "carrying capacity" - okay guys...it doesn't fit the scenario.
Thanks

[Dogboy]

In case any of you are interested in learning a little bit more about what these guys went through, check out the link. There are sound, and video interviews with guys theat survived the Battle of Mog.

http://inquirer.philly.com/packages/somalia/sitemap.asp

[OverKill]

If any folks from one of these types of "circles" is planning on attending, they should really re-think about coming. if you can't pay respect to the 18 soldiers that gave their lives that days, then you really shouldn't be playing in a skirm that pays homage to them.
-maple

well said

[Night Stalker]

Overkill, are you going to this game?

[darksylence]

according to that pole he is ...

[Night Stalker]

Juts trying to double check. You know you cannot use your sniper M4 since it is not allowed under the rules. A sniper rifle firing over 400 fps cannot be able to be selectable to full auto. It has to be semi-auto ONLY.

[Professor]

Ah, good point NS...thanks for noting that.


Everyone should check out the WAA website rules section.

This event is being run in accordance to the rules defined by the WAA - click here to read (Adobe acrobat reader required) WAA Charter and Rules (http://wiairsoft.com/documents/charter.pdf)

[Night Stalker]

Some people should really read the rules before building thier gun. Even if he removes the selectable capability to go full-auto on this gun, it is STILL an illegal Sniper weapon. Sniper weapons cannot exceed 550fps with .20s.

This is from Timmay quoted from Overkill...

"Form his fourms linked off his linear profile
"if there is no game scheduled for a day we can have the use of the whole place for 10 per head.

so like tommorrow I know it is short notice but we could use the feild if we wanted for ten bucks a head. I may be there to do some scouting and test fire my m4 and may be crono the gun with .25's I am hoping to get to the 600 range. wish me luck."

600 fps with .25s? That is well over 600fps with the .20 that the rules state we chrono and play with. This gun is not legal for any field in the state except backyards.

Prof, please tell me you are planning on chronoing that day.

[OverKill]

Some people should really read the rules before building thier gun. Even if he removes the selectable capability to go full-auto on this gun, it is STILL an illegal Sniper weapon. Sniper weapons cannot exceed 550fps with .20s.

This is from Timmay quoted from Overkill...

"Form his fourms linked off his linear profile
"if there is no game scheduled for a day we can have the use of the whole place for 10 per head.

so like tommorrow I know it is short notice but we could use the feild if we wanted for ten bucks a head. I may be there to do some scouting and test fire my m4 and may be crono the gun with .25's I am hoping to get to the 600 range. wish me luck."

600 fps with .25s? That is well over 600fps with the .20 that the rules state we chrono and play with. This gun is not legal for any field in the state except backyards.

Prof, please tell me you are planning on chronoing that day.

well I will just respond with this

The gun will fall within all of the rules to make it legal. I did build the gun to shoot over 600 fps actually 623 with a .20 I then docked the spring to bring it the rules. just wanted to see what an AEG was actually capable of. Full auto has also been dis abled in the gun if you really care ;)

weither I use it or not at this game I still have not decided but sence the role I am playing really does not suit this gun I may just use the mp5-pdw and my gas blow back if it really matters to ya. or the 552.

[Night Stalker]

First.. Cool that you were able to get the max potential from the gun.

This was only brought up in the interest of safety. Wouldn't mater if it was one of my guys or anyone elses. So please don't take it that you were being picked on or singled out for anything other than some people are worried about the gun. A few guys were worried about it so I stepped up and brought it up. The biggest thing anyone worries about is of course safety, but should something actually happen on the field, it may make some land owners shy away from offering their land to play on and that is not good. So we do thank them and do our best as a statewide collective "whole" to be sure the games are as safe and enjoyable, and "incident free" to everyone as much as humanly possible. So like i said, please don't take it personally and nobody has anything against you. :)

But it was pretty cool that you did that much to pull that much potential out of that gun. Pretty sweet.

[OverKill]

trust me when I say I am not looking to hurt anyone. and it is not the gun but the person you need to worry about ;) I also don't want to get hurt so I take that into consideration everytime I play and before I pull the triger each time.

Building my m4 was more to see what I could get out of an AEG I may try and build a gas gun to its fullest potintial next who knows what the future will bring. but all can rest assured that the guns I play with out on the feild will all fall within the rules.

also I play by a 150' rule when it comes to sniping just to play it even safer but that is a whole different story

[Dogboy]

Whoever does not have he stomach for this fight, let him depart. Give him money to speed his departure since we wish not to die in that man’s company. Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself every year on this day, show his neighbor his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle. These stories he will teach his son and from this day until the end of the world we shall be remembered. We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; for whoever has shed his blood with mine shall be my brother. And those men afraid to go will think themselves lesser men as they hear of how we fought and died together.

Shakespeare’s Henry V

This is also part of a speech that General Garrison gave at a memorial service held after the battle.

[Professor]

No if's, ands, or buts I WILL be doing Chronoing before anyone steps on the field. Everyones aeg, springer, and gbb or whatever will be checked, documented, and tagged with a tie wrap - no tie wrap no use.

In addition, there will be OCs...myself and others on the field. I want any innappropriate play brought to my attention immediately so it can be addressed immediately. If you see something you report it. It is NOT honorable to not say something. Anything you overlook could potentially injure someone else or even yourself. I will NOT tolerate cheating or unsafe play.

This is an honor based sport and this event is intended in memorium - so let's all play an honorable, respectful and safe game.

[Dogboy]

This is an honor based sport and this event is intended in memorium - so let's all play an honorable, respectful and safe game.


By Jove, I am not covetous for gold, Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost; It yearns me not if men my garments wear; Such outward things dwell not in my desires: But if it be a sin to covet honour, I am the most offending soul alive.
-also from Shakespeare's Henry V

[Professor]

Hey DB, we're gonna have to start looking at you in a whole new light ;) Who'da thought that Mr Clean was a Shakespearean?

[Mr. Crow]

By Jove, I am not covetous for gold, Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost; It yearns me not if men my garments wear; Such outward things dwell not in my desires: But if it be a sin to covet honour, I am the most offending soul alive.
-also from Shakespeare's Henry V


Dog boy's been hitting that crack pipe again.

[The_Ska_King]

Me and My friend Would also like to be included in this Skirmish

[RTO]

more skinnies! this just keeps gettin better and better!

[Byrnzy]

So what forms do we need when we get there in order to play, can we review that, with all the fees, and web sites to get the forms to print off. Because i know we need one from the war game room. Just to make things easy.

[RTO]

the form and information are on garys website. find one of his posts and click on his hyperlink on the bottom of his sig.

[Professor]

The required waiver - WarGame Field Waiver (http://www.thewargameroom.com/waiver.pdf)

The rules of conduct of WAA - rules (http://wiairsoft.com/documents/charter.pdf)


Anyone joining in now is playing the role of a Somalian, so do NOT wear a uniform. Wear street clothes...jeans..shirt, maybe one part of a BDU but not a full uniform, etc

[road block]

i'll be coming to this event sign me up with tiger recon group

[The_Ska_King]

And there might possibely be a third guy coming to!

[SHOGUN]

I'm planning on attending. I'll have to be a Somail.

[Dogboy]

Hey DB, we're gonna have to start looking at you in a whole new light ;) Who'da thought that Mr Clean was a Shakespearean?

I am what you would call a warrior-poet. And Crow, I don't smoke a pipe! ;)

[SPANKY *AK-47*]

ok, quick question for any of you who know....sat. will be my first time to this feild, i already have the form filled out. now then, i will also be at the BHD game, do i need another form, or do they keep them on file, or what?

[Dogboy]

ok, quick question for any of you who know....sat. will be my first time to this feild, i already have the form filled out. now then, i will also be at the BHD game, do i need another form, or do they keep them on file, or what?

You will need a seperate form for each event. Pretty sure you can download and print them from Gary's web site, if you have a printer that is.
And, welcome, by the way!

[SPANKY *AK-47*]

ok, thaks dogboy, i appreciate that :]

[rdm711]

Hello all, id like to attend but id have a greater chance of going if i could get a ride, any one goin from the milwaukee area?

Appreciate it, Rick

[Professor]

RDM - Of course I'm going...and may have room for another. But, I'm going early to do some last minute setup - leaving about 9am. Send me a PM if interested.


Otherwise, I just gotta share this...I couldn't help myself and I had reason to reward myself so I just ordered my G&G UMG. It should arrive before this event and I'll bring it along for people to drool over ;)

[Zorro]

RDM, where in the Milwaukee area?

[Maple]

Otherwise, I just gotta share this...I couldn't help myself and I had reason to reward myself so I just ordered my G&G UMG. It should arrive before this event and I'll bring it along for people to drool over ;)

Reason #1031 to be jealous of Proffesor: He will soon be the owner of a UMG :)

Damn.
-maple

[Professor]

Hey Maple...didn't you miss one or two reasons? :D (j/k)

It seems that the info regarding this event is no longer accessible because the old site is GONE! So, here is a copy -


In memory of the Battle of Mogadishu on Oct. 3, 1993...

"There's no doubt that the perception people have of this episode is that it was a total fiasco. But this was a successfully completed mission. … The failure was Clinton's decision to pull out the day after this happened. The truth is he lacked the kind of moral personal force that it took to persuade Congress and the American people that even though this is not popular, we have to do it." —Bowden, in an interview with Elizabeth Snead, reporting for the Washington Post.

Where:
Wargame Room field
When:
Saturday Sept 17th, 1300 hours - arrive between 11:00 & 11:30 to gear up
We will start at 1300 hours (1:00pm) sharp, adding in late comers as they arrive and are "processed". Hope to see you there.

Sequence –
Gear up
Chrono
Photos
Rules
Special player – identification and coordination
Placement
Game Play



Skirmish concepts:
1) Retrieve Mohamed Farrah Aidid’s Lieutenant’s
2) Extraction ambushed on exit
3) We have a Blackhawk down
4) Move to secure the perimeter
5) Another bird is down
6) Trapped in the city
7) UN forces to the rescue

Uniforms:
US -
RANGERS: prefferably woodland, but any complete US BDU is acceptable
DELTA: OD BDU with black LBVs, etc and appropriate "helmets"

Somalians -
Any street clothes desired - DO NOT wear a complete BDU outfit of ANY type. May wear part of a BDU such as a shirt with non uniform pants or pants with a non uniform shirt.

BHD Skirmish Rules:

1. At no time may a weapon be loaded inside the safe zone. Magazines must be removed from the weapon as you leave the field.
2. You may clear your weapon on field only. No firing (live or dry) in the safe zone.
3. Goggles must be on at all times outside of the safe zone. In the event that you need to remove your goggles, please leave the field before doing so.
4. In the event of an emergency, please radio the OC (me) and I will call a halt to the game.
5. When “End Ex” is called over the radio, please cease fire and safety your weapon. Either the game is over, or an emergency has occurred on the field.
6. Please treat your weapon as if it is loaded. Unless a game is on, please point it away from people and keep you finger out of the trigger well.
7. Accidental discharges will not be treated lightly. In the event of an AD, you will be given a warning. A second occurrence will garner you a seat during the next mission. A 3rd AD will send you home for the day.
8. All weapons must be under 400fps, save for sniper weapons, which must be under 550fps. Sniper weapons cannot be fired at less than 100ft. to the target and can only be fired Semi-Auto only. Sniper weapons can only use standard capacity magazines.
9. If you are at close range (10 ft. or less) with an enemy, please call out surrender. No blasting within 10ft. ****Period***.
10. Please be aware that there are hidden dangers on the field, branches/ice, be mindful when you are running through the field and forest.
11. If you are hit, you are considered dead. Dead men don’t talk.
12. If you think somebody is cheating, please report it to me. Do not argue on the field. If you are caught cheating, you will be given a warning. The 2nd time you will sit out the next mission. The 3rd time and you are done for the day.
13. Mission details/ length will be given before each mission. New intel may arise during the mission and you may receive a radio call from the OC (me) explaining the new intel.
14. Each team will be given intel separately and may not know what the other teams objectives are. You may request intel from the OC (me), but new information may not be available at the time of request.
15. Each team must elect a commander. They are responsible for radio contact with the OC. If the commander is killed, a new team leader may be elected.
16. Absolutely no monitoring of the other teams radio channel. I will assign radio channels to each team. If you are caught monitoring channels, you’ll be warned. A 2nd time gets you a seat for the next mission. 3rd time and you get to go home.
17. Friendly fire is still fire. You are dead.
18. Other rules may be defined at the field.


P.S. Thanks again to Col Maple for having "paved the way" with the rule set I copied and edited accordingly.

[newMP5user]

Hello all, id like to attend but id have a greater chance of going if i could get a ride, any one goin from the milwaukee area?

Appreciate it, Rick


i live in waukesha, if you need a ride i can pick you up!

i only have two full camo schemes, all black and urban camo. so put me where needed, i can also bring a shirt so i guess that would make it three camo schemes. id prefer the delta team. is this ok?

[rdm711]

I like in Greenfield highway 100 and layton to be more specific

[seppuku]

It seems that the info regarding this event is no longer accessible because the old site is GONE!the old boards are hanging around for a little bit longer at this location (http://65.61.35.190/forums/) (this thread (http://www.wiairsoft.com/forums/showthread.php?t=356) has the details). here's a direct link to the BHD skirmish thread on the old boards: http://65.61.35.190/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=3176&PN=1

[Dogboy]

i live in waukesha, if you need a ride i can pick you up!

i only have two full camo schemes, all black and urban camo. so put me where needed, i can also bring a shirt so i guess that would make it three camo schemes. id prefer the delta team. is this ok?

Most likely you will be somalian, so bring street clothes. It seems that the delta's, and rangers are pretty much spoke for and filled. Don't be discouraged though, the somalis are going to have a blast raining havok on the US forces!

[Professor]

Hey Maple...aren't you the one with a new G&G M14? Who's jealous of who?

[Professor]

REMINDERS of event rules, etc...


The event sequence will be as follows -

1) Arrive between 1130 and 1200 hrs.
2) Gear up
3) Chrono of all guns
4) RANGER, DELTA, and Somalian team photos
5) Special player identification and coordination
6) Event rules and safety reading - 1300 hrs
7) Team placements
8) Game play commences at approx 1330 hrs
9) Game play ends at approx 1900 hrs.


Medic / Regen Rules:

US Forces -
1) There will be four medics with 2 medic cards per US player. Once medic cards run out the players will return to a specified regen location and await return until a contingent of six players are there before returning. US Forces will then be able to regen in this fashion for two more instances. If, several US Forces are killed beyond this regen, other plans will be utilized to ensure event continuation. Medic cards may be "acquired" by Somalians thereby removing them from the usable inventory.

Somalians -
2) Unlimited regeneration by returning to their regen location and waiting for groups of 2 to return.

Skirmish success will be determined by -
a) Safely taking down the high value targets and extracting them to a designated location.
b) Safely recovering any survivors of Blackhawk crashes.
c) UN safe extraction of US Forces trapped in the city.

Additional "twists" in event scenarios may be encountered and may affect skirmish outcomes.

1) US Forces will have a limited ammunition load out. Given that it will be likely that you may end up needing to share ammo. SO, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU MARK YOUR MAGS!!!! Use a permanant marker and write your initials somewhere on them - do NOT use colored tape to distinguish your mags as you can bet someone will use the same color.

Here are the US forces load out restrictions. These load outs are designed to replicate the fact that the mission was only supposed to last 30 minutes maximum. Each player may carry the following magazine totals initially into the skirmish (load outs will change after event begins). US forces will be able to reload when they return to the regen points after medic cards run out -

MP5 hicap = 200 rnds x 6 = 1200 rounds
M4 “ = 300 rnds x 4 = 1200
G36 “ = 470 rnds x 3 = 1410*
AK47 “ = 600 rnds x 2 = 1200
Aug “ = 300 rnds x 4 = 1200
CAM4 “ = 450 rnds x 3 = 1350*

As you can see, some magazines for some guns or by different manufacturers differ - i.e. the asterisks, in the totals, but accomplish a reasonable method of contolling the number of BBs each will carry.

Now, also please keep in mind this will be a mute point after the US medic cards run out and US forces return to regen in numbers of 6 at a time. They will then be able to carry whatever they can carry for them and for their team mates.


PLEASE, remember to label your mags as you may still possibly share mags in some situations.




2) Somalians - can carry as much ammo and weapons as they can carry. However, Somalia forces CANNOT use radios.

[Flea]

How about pistols for US forces? Can we still carry them, and if so what kind of load out will there be for them? And how many grenades for the M203 could we carry at the start?

[newMP5user]

[QUOTE=Professor]REMINDERS of event rules, etc...


MP5 hicap = 200 rnds x 6 = 1200 rounds
M4 “ = 300 rnds x 4 = 1200
G36 “ = 470 rnds x 3 = 1410*
AK47 “ = 600 rnds x 2 = 1200
Aug “ = 300 rnds x 4 = 1200
CAM4 “ = 450 rnds x 3 = 1350*

ok so... im using low cap mags.. how many can i use then?

[rdm711]

id assume you would divide how many rounds it hold into the total number of bbs like a 30 rd mag divided by 1200 is 40 mags.... if u can carry that many

[RTO]

id assume you would divide how many rounds it hold into the total number of bbs like a 30 rd mag divided by 1200 is 40 mags.... if u can carry that many
correct, or at least to my understanding of what professor has come to the conclusion on.

[RTO]

How about pistols for US forces? Can we still carry them, and if so what kind of load out will there be for them? And how many grenades for the M203 could we carry at the start?
from an earlier post on what professor had said, i believe that you can carry as much as you can to start. but this does not mean utilize a butpack or anything of the sort to carry extra shells or mags(for pistols). carry on you what you can w/o the aid of a backpack/fannypack/ruck-buttpack

am i close professor?

[darksylence]

[QUOTE=Professor]REMINDERS of event rules, etc...


MP5 hicap = 200 rnds x 6 = 1200 rounds
M4 “ = 300 rnds x 4 = 1200
G36 “ = 470 rnds x 3 = 1410*
AK47 “ = 600 rnds x 2 = 1200
Aug “ = 300 rnds x 4 = 1200
CAM4 “ = 450 rnds x 3 = 1350*

ok so... im using low cap mags.. how many can i use then?
im assuming ur a somalian because the US roster is kinda filled up ... and for the somalians you can carry as much as you want.

[rdm711]

good point.. didnt even think of that

[The_Jackal]

So let me get this striaght, the US can only take so much ammo? I only have 2 Hi-Cap mags for my M4, 3 Hi-cap for my MP5, and 1(maybe 2) 26rnd mag(s) for my USP. If somebody could just email me ALL the rules for this game (dark_one94@hotmail.com), I would be pleased. One more thing, how many people are going to have M203's. If somebody has a RIS mountable M203 and they are not going to be using it, can I barrow it for the game(my M203 wont be here untill 9/22/05)? I'll buy yea lunch or somthing along that line for letting me use it(I'll have my own gas and BB's). :)

[Dogboy]

I know there are a lot of pages to weed through, but if you find the Professor's posts you will find all the rules.
Jackal, if you are on the US side just follow the load out restrictions. If all you have is 2 mags, then carry the extra allowable ammo in a bag or bb bottle. That way you will have as much ammo as the rest of the crew. If you are not already signed up for the US forces, you will be somalian. Bring street clothes! Somalians are pretty much unlimited on ammo load out, so take what you can carry.
Hope this helps.

[rdm711]

Can the skinnys where anything covering their face (besides goggles that is) or wear hats?

[Professor]

RDM - sure ...I'd prefer it if the hats weren't military ones though - i.e. no boonies please.

[Professor]

Okay gang - just got word that only one MERT team member is coming - that basically kills one RANGER Chalk. I need a group of five (5) people to fill out a RANGER chalk - 1 lead and 4 troopers.

Please PM me and I'll plan your chalk - please understand, somone will have to be a leader and that may not be the person you are used to following, but hey...that's life.

[Professor]

People were asking - Heres the assignments - had two changes occur this week though.

I need a new RANGER Chalk - 5 total: 1 lead (Cpt Mike Steele RANGER Commander) and 4 troopers
I also need a Somalian to step up and take a High Value Target capacity - Omar Salad

a) 16 Rangers - 4 Chalks of 4 each to cover perimeter (prefer Woodland BDUs or Desert)
4 Chalk Leads:
1) - Cpt Mike Steele
2) Joker - 1st Lt Tom DiTomasso
3) DogBoy - Sgt. First Class Sean Watson
4) RTO - Staff Sgnt Matt Eversmann
Extraction Convoy Team
1) Benne181 - LtCol Danny McKnight
2) Darksylence - SSgrnt Dave Wilson

- Team RIOT (count unknown)
- Backdraft
- Nemesis
- Tony2544
- KA-JJ
- Mr Crow
- other Tiger Recon (count unknown)
- Dogboy (possible)
- Joker
- SemperFox and friend
- StelthTurkey and AaronSI
- Reconz (3 to 5)

*If the count of RANGERs gets too excessive I may have to place some people in another role (maybe Somali) - so bring a non-bdu (civilian) shirt along just in case, please.

b) 8 or more Delta Boys - to capture Aideed's Lts and attempt to save Mike Durant (OD BDUs and black helmets and LBVs).
2 Delta Boys @ Super64 crash site
1) Paul - Sergeant First Class Randy Shughart
2) Chris - Master Sergeant Gary Gordon
- Night Stalker
- Timmay
- Paul@Apoc
- Circus
- Batman
- Wrex
- Beest (likely)
- Rogue (likely)
- Lang (likely)
- Tank (possible)
- Guerilla Dan
- Bear
- Cobra
- Black_kade

c) Numerous individuals playing as Somalis (street clothes)
2 Habr Gidr lieutenants and others meeting attendees
1)Col Maple - Mohammed Hassan Awale
2) - Omar Salad
3)PsychoVanac
4)DoubleZ
- Col Maple
- AirsoftCommando
- PsychoVanac
- UAF, Psycho-halo, etc (count unknown)
- C-4 (possible count of 4)
- giro99 (possible)
- Pale Horse (current count of 6)
- Uriel
- James Byrnes and Robert Meyers
- MERT - 1 player -Flea
others may not listed but I know are coming



d) Small Ranger crew for extract of Lts.(prefer Woodland BDUs or Desert)
- ***Same people playing the Ranger Chalks setting up perimeters for the takedown


e) Medium contigent of UN Forces for final rescue (prefer non-US BDUs) Will also play as Somalians in other parts of event.
- Echo team players: Element, Sigpro, Doc

[Professor]

We have a player for the HVT role of Omar Salad - Overkill. Thanx for stepping up.

[The_Jackal]

Add me to the Delta Boys. I'm TFD's offical/unoffical new member. Like I said before I'm in the process of joinin there team. I just have to come to 2 games and find out what the rest of the team thinks. :)

[Dogboy]

Add me to the Delta Boys. I'm TFD's offical/unoffical new member. Like I said before I'm in the process of joinin there team. I just have to come to 2 games and find out what the rest of the team thinks. :)
Hate to say it, but I'm pretty sure that Delta is full. Positions aren't being assigned according to what airsoft team you are on. If you are interested in a US role get in on the open Ranger chalk, otherwise you can probably plan on being somali.

[The_Jackal]

Yea what team im on and Im on Task Force Delta.

[RTO]

Yea what team im on and Im on Task Force Delta.
I'll speak up even though I'm not Prof.
Even though you may be on TFD, you still are being asked to fill the role of a Somali becuase this game has been being planned for a long time now and to just add on people because they are new on a team does not seem "fair" to some and Professor had stated that any new people joining in on the skirmish will fill the role of Somalis earlier in this thread.

[Sanchez]

somalis are better anyways cuz there name almost rymes with salami....yummmmmm salami :]

[RTO]

indeed! lol
make sure you bring some habenaro pepper cheese to go along with that!

its all good Jackal, just think, you'll have almost unlimited ammo (as much as you have on you at the game) and unlimited regens!

[Dogboy]

Thanks RTO, I guess what I was saying may have been a bit confusing. I was trying to let Jackal know that the Delta squads had been filled, not referring to TFD as a team.

[RTO]

not a problem, we all just now get to play with a lot of somalis.. from my understanding people are comming that arn't on the list because people are bringing them there. ohh man, it should be a lot of people... lol, it'll be great

GARY!!! Think of all the cars you get to house then, by your field. lol

Parking will be a Royal Bitch this day for sure! Probably have to walk half a mile just to get to garys driveway with all the cars

[Professor]

Jackal - sorry, but RTO and DB are right, the Delta slots are filled and I either need more RANGERs or Somalians...pick soon or it'll just be Somalia as positions go fast.

[RTO]

i think i talked to you about this, but jim byrnes would like to fulfill a ranger spot.. he just doesn't get on the boards as much as he would like to so i'll sign up for him if thats alright. forum name "Byrnzy"

now if there are people who normally play together and one is a chalk leader, are you going to try and group them together? I thought i read that somewhere, but i don't know if it was here or not.

thanks professor

[The_Jackal]

Ranger me up then, but I only have OD BDU's(basicaly all the Delta gear, sry).

[The_Jackal]

Oh, one more thing, if sombody dosen't show up can I be on Delta?

[Sanchez]

ill only go with a group of people if u could rename team somali to team salami...please take this on a very serious note :o ....no actually dont take this on a serious note but that would be sweet

[The_Jackal]

you on Delta

[RTO]

Jackal, settle down, lol... Just take whatever role you can get, its not like its any more important of a role being on Delta compaired to a skinny role

i'm not trying to be an ass (well i am once you meet me, but.. ;)) you are just trying to hard to be on delta and odds are not in your favor right now. just wait till game day and see what shows up

honestly, the more skinnies we have, and the exact number of DF and Ranger members that we in the actual OP, and we are able to get as close too as possible, it would be really nice IMO. not only because skinny numbers could be recreated, but... yeah, i just want a lot of targets, lol

[Dogboy]

Also, Jackal, if you don't have any other bdu's, either borrow something or wear street clothes and be a skinnie. Being the bad guys can be a lot of fun because you are allowed a lot more freedom! ;)

[The_Jackal]

True, ve very true ;)

[SPANKY *AK-47*]

jackle...Why wouldnt you want to be a pimpin skinny....

--can i be my own mongolian team? Ill work with the skinys, or any of them that want to convert to mongolians can be my homies.... :D ---
(in order to convert you must sell your donkey to your brother in law)

[Night Stalker]

OK here is the short and SKINNY. lmao ( I kill myself)
Anyway, yes, as I read the thread and wa sposted, all the Delta slots are filled. Even if 4 slots open up, you probably won't get that shot since TFD is 31 people strong. So only barely HALF of our team even got to be on Delta. The rest are playing Skinnys. I would say if you can, jump in the Rangers slots if you really want to be US. They worked pretty close to the Deltas.

Now, a Delta slot just became open but will get filled before anyone knows it. Beest had to cancel because of a wedding and he couldn't get out of it like he thought he could. So, the slot will now be filled by my wife Marcia ,who will always have seniority over anyone else to play alongs side me.

Also, Rogue and Gunney are 100%

Also, we have 2 more coming to this game not posted above..
Dan the Man our newest Delta Boy and his GF Felicia. They will without a doubt also play as Skinnys.


In the future, for anyone wanting to join TFD the team, the requirement may not seem as clear cut as you think. I know some of us are a royal pain in the arse, but you wait to get that role until AFTER you actually get on the team. THEN you go and start to piss off all the other teams. (Mad love to you all)


ANYWAY, not sure who else is feeling this, It almost seems as if there is a serious unity that is going to surround this game regardless of what team or side you play on. It is starting to feel like it used to before the game. I know some of you remember those days.

[Dogboy]

...
ANYWAY, not sure who else is feeling this, It almost seems as if there is a serious unity that is going to surround this game regardless of what team or side you play on. It is starting to feel like it used to before the game. I know some of you remember those days.

I wasn't around for "those days", but I hear what you're saying. There really seems to be a lot of energy involving this one. Should make for one heck of a day!

[Professor]

In case people missed it or don't remember...


This event starts at 1300 (1:00pm) and will end somewhere around 1900 or 2000 (7 or 8pm) and is a non-stop shoot fest.


Also, bring lots of water, bug spray, food and flashlights.

Somalians do NOT get radios!

[The_Jackal]

Are there any Ranger slots still open?

[The_Jackal]

Spanky if there are no more Ranger slots open I'll be more than happy to pimp skinny it up with ya...lol!

[SPANKY *AK-47*]

Hooah ;)

[Professor]

Since Viper can't make it...I still need someone to take on the responsibility and capacity of the part of Capt Steele - commander of all the RANGER chalks...anyone got the "globes" for it?

[Black_Kade]

U know what prof I have all the camo and gear, so i guess ill do it. I am sure that one of the TFD guy's would be more than willing to tackle my spot on delta.

[The_Jackal]

OH, oh oh oh ME ME ME...lol :D

[kohls]

is there any more ranger spots open yet

[Mr. Freeze]

hmm wow from one until 7 or 8 thats freaking long, this will be one hell of a game. Better bring two Coolers for this game .... :D

[Vanac]

uh. its really the same amount of time. games usually start at 10-4.

[The_Jackal]

Since it is 9/11, I thought I should just bing up and ask for each person to have a moment of silence for the men and wemon who died that horrible day 4 years ago. Also to the people on flight 93, the flight that fought back, those people are ture americans. They did not sit idley by while some ragheads killed everybody. Also I have a interesting point to bring up, it's about the plane that hit the Pentagon. Well it's really not my point but it still makes you think.
Here's the link:
http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php#Main

Please whatch it and tell me what you think. It really made me think!

[Night Stalker]

BS and conspiracy theorists lies. They found portions of the plane that got pulled out of Pentagon.

Anyway, back to the game thread?

[kingcamo1095]

I gotta know nightstalker, who is the lady getting morked in your avatar?

[Night Stalker]

Believe it or not, it was a larger GIF of a woman riding an exercise bike before I cropped it.

[kingcamo1095]

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM I could watch her ride that bike all day.

[Ben]

Thats My Mom Ass !!!

[kingcamo1095]

Shhh, shhh! Quiet down everybody I think he is saying something. "MILF!!!" "MILF!!!" Yeah, thats what I thought I heard.

[rdm711]

thats a load of bs ive seen that one b4. If it were to be a small plane what happened to the people aboard that flight? Also the pentagon was built to withstand attacks, that was the recently renivated side. The windows weigh like a ton and are thick as phone books. The walls are built with kevlar to help absorb shock, thats probally why there wasnt as much damage as a regular building.
http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/files/flt93-debris.jpg

flight 93 crash site, i dont see much plane there either.

[RTO]

alright, the 9/11 memorial and rememberance is better to be left off this thread due to the fact that it is a thread ABOUT BLACKHAWK DOWN! lets stop all the talk about 9/11, eventhough it was a very sad moment in US history, and get back to related talk about the game.

[kingcamo1095]

I tried so hard to get away from the 9/11 stuff. I mean seriously, I thought a hard on could solve any problem. I guess not. RTO is right, I know I'm confused too, but these side threads in very dedicated forums never go over well.

[rdm711]

i agree but no need to freak they were like 3 comments about a very sad event that we were paying remeberence and voicing are opinions on.

it happens in every thread


but anyways cant wait for saturday :D

[Professor]

EVERYONE REMEMBER...THIS IS ONE CONTINOUS EVENT. THERE WILL BE NO BREAKS!!!!!

Bring a hydra pack, canteens, coolers, or water jugs and for Somalians you can locate this at your regen point.

US troops will have to wait till their medic cards run out or they go back to the convoy rally point for refills for whatever they are carrying.

Of course, if anyone gets dehydrated SPEAK UP and we will get you water!

[darksylence]

whats ur rules for charging batteries, or getting diff guns?

[Professor]

The initial load out for US troops is 1200 rounds...after that, when you get access to the safe zone regen point you can recharge, reload, or whatever...

[rdm711]

what is going to represent the super crash sites?

[newMP5user]

if anyone needs it, i got a FULL load out of urban camo (i.e. pants, jacket, shirt boonie hat) i believe its XL (im not a big person but hey i like it baggy a bit) so i can bring that. and are we meeting at the field on the website? one last thing, i got an inverter for the car.. im going to have to see if it will charge bigger batteries so we can use that if needed!

[Maple]

MP5- we will be palying at the field (not the shop in West Allis) listed on Gary's website.
You won't need a car charger, as we are playing a continous game, which will mean that we have to bring all of our gear out on the field. Besides, unless you hose down the field (which I don't recommend) you won't need more than 1 battery.

[Doc]

It is a 6 hour near non stop game. I would bring atleast 2 batteries. I plan on 3 and 2 backups for teammates.

[Double Z]

I know FOX will be bringing a few extra batteries, and we'll have them labeled as such, it might be a good idea if YOU are bringing extra batteries to label them also so that when you leave you have everything you came with. Btw UAF I'm expecting that one of you will have my battery on Sat. as it is the one thing missing from the purchase you guys picked up for me at BHD. Not trying to publically admonish you, just tryin to kill two birds with one stone. NE wayz see ya'll on Sat.

[rdm711]

so people are bringing extras! thats good cuz i only have one battery, perhaps i could borrow one if mine goes dead

[Vanac]

I know FOX will be bringing a few extra batteries, and we'll have them labeled as such, it might be a good idea if YOU are bringing extra batteries to label them also so that when you leave you have everything you came with. Btw UAF I'm expecting that one of you will have my battery on Sat. as it is the one thing missing from the purchase you guys picked up for me at BHD. Not trying to publically admonish you, just tryin to kill two birds with one stone. NE wayz see ya'll on Sat.


Dick borrowed it and forgot to put it back in your case. Sides...who is UAF? :)

[SPANKY *AK-47*]

ok, i have an AK-47, but i only have 1 standard mag, and 1 250 round shorty hi-cap :cry: . i was wondering if anyone else who has AK-style mags would be willing to lend me some mags for the BHD game ;) , just sed me a PM back if any one is willing..... :D



THIS MESSAGE BROUGHT TO YOU BY SKINNYS UNITED.....
SKINNYS UNITED, SAVE A CAMEL.

[Dingo]

Professor, I will be attending by myself most likely..maybe with one friend...maybe not. I am assuming I will be on the Somalis also which is fine...I need to remember what it's like to be shot at by TFD again.

Sorry guys, DWAT ain't dead yet.

[Professor]

FYI - I posted a few days ago that Viper of MERT would not be making it and the only other MERT member making it was going to now play Somalian. So, that opened up some room on the RANGER list -

Black_Kade has stepped up to the challenge of the role of Capt Steele - RANGER Chalk Commander. He will not only lead his own chalk but all chalks being inserted to take down the HVTs. The other RANGERs that will be assigned to the convoy will be under the leadership of Col Danny McKnight played by Bene181.

Congratulate and wish them luck ...

"Down on the ground will be unforgiving" - Col McNight to the C2 officers at the assualt planning meeting in the movie BHD.


Some of you indicated interest in playing the part of a RANGER, I can't remember all who/what, so I suggest that you bring you woodland BDUs just in case as there might be a seat on a chopper or in the convoy open. However, dress to accomodate your original assignment if they are all filled.

[Professor]

rdm711 - you asked what will identify the crash sites...you'll see :D

[rdm711]

jw you told me to dress as a ranger b4, should i bring other clothes as well

[demonmutiny]

hey your link isnt working, can u fix it cause im new to this whole tournament and am really excited about it



So I don't have to redo all the previous discussion...


Here is a link to the previous thread -

Old Site BHD Thread (http://wiairsoft.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=3176&PN=1)


Click above...

[SPANKY *AK-47*]

professor, ill jump on the ranger side to play anlongside my fellow E.M.R. buddies (RTO, BLACK_KADE, STELTHTURKEY, BYRNZY) if i cant go on the ranger side thats cool and all, just wanting to know if its possible....Just send me a PM back Professor. -Thanks- ;)

[RTO]

hey your link isnt working, can u fix it cause im new to this whole tournament and am really excited about it
the old site is down and is no longer accessable so the thread no longer exists, i believe;)

[demonmutiny]

so how am i gonna get info to tournament??

the old site is down and is no longer accessable so the thread no longer exists, i believe;)

[SPANKY *AK-47*]

have you seen the movie blackhawk down? basically we are reinacting the battle(s) that took place. if you look back at earlier posts, you will see start/end times, and you can go to http://www.thewargameroom.com/ to get directions, and the waiver that IS REQUIRED if you want more info on the battle(s) send Professor a P.M. :D

[Black_Kade]

For new next few weeks, the old forums will continue to exist at this address:
http://65.61.35.190/forums/

[demonmutiny]

thxs again for the info, this sounds awesome and i know a friend told me about this whole thing, been a big fan of airsoft just didnt know these things were set up cause i meet few who know about it

have you seen the movie blackhawk down? basically we are reinacting the battle(s) that took place. if you look back at earlier posts, you will see start/end times, and you can go to http://www.thewargameroom.com/ to get directions, and the waiver that IS REQUIRED if you want more info on the battle(s) send Professor a P.M. :D

[demonmutiny]

hey do they have rentals??

thxs again for the info, this sounds awesome and i know a friend told me about this whole thing, been a big fan of airsoft just didnt know these things were set up cause i meet few who know about it

[SPANKY *AK-47*]

i hear ya, after all we are THE PROUD, THE FEW, THE AIRSOFTERS :D :D

[demonmutiny]

lol yah

i hear ya, after all we are THE PROUD, THE FEW, THE AIRSOFTERS :D :D

[demonmutiny]

hey u try sending me something?


i hear ya, after all we are THE PROUD, THE FEW, THE AIRSOFTERS :D :D

[SPANKY *AK-47*]

yes, click the little button in top right of screen that says private messages

[Guerilla Dan]

Are you all the same person?

[Stelthturkey]

nope, similar, in our own ways, but different in others. Mostly same team though... RTO, Kade, Myself, Byrnzy, SKanky, Pepe and lapacz who doesn't have a forum name.

[perculator]

alrighty I have my tac belt, mag pouch's, camal back, single battery, four standerd mags, IDK how much ammo probly around 2000 rounds, BDU, gun. What else do I need? what can I use as a supply pouch? will someone carry me when I get tired? How many bottles of water should I bring? help me out because I suck at life

[knob]

alrighty I have my tac belt, mag pouch's, camal back, single battery, four standerd mags, IDK how much ammo probly around 2000 rounds, BDU, gun. What else do I need? what can I use as a supply pouch? will someone carry me when I get tired? How many bottles of water should I bring? help me out because I suck at life

sorry but this isn't a theropy session...
just bring one ice cold jug of water (about 1 gal) and but also fill up your camel back which is probably around 80-100 OZ. That should be even enough for two people your size.. For a battery, just bring one main one and then try to bring a spare... (one question... whats the size? 3000maH?.. If your camelback doubles as a back pack (ie cargo pockets)

remember though.. drink plenty of water the night before and durring the game, and after..

What i am bringing is my "skinney" cloths, My gun, Battery(8.4v 3300mAH), my Camelback look alike, my mags, 1 reg, maybe 2-3 highcaps..

[RTO]

..around 80-100 liters...

damn knob.. i want a camel back that can hold that much.. most that mine can hold is three.. lol

are you sure your not thinking about ouces?



edit: yeah, i've seen the movie a lot, and played the game, and read part of the book, but never really knew the basis of some of the operation. i mean i knew what happened and all from reading a little about it, but like the acutal name of it was Operation Gothic Serpent

but yeah, for those of you in the same boat as me.. check this out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mogadishu

[demonmutiny]

hey i have a black tactical backpack and im a skinny would i be able to wear it, its has nice storage and everything just wondering

[RTO]

what are you going to be storing in it... if its candy bars and ammo, i'll make sure to knock you first.. lol

i think since your a skinny, its alright

[demonmutiny]

lol not if i get you first, no we were gonna put ammo since me and my friend only got like 2 extra clips, also water jugs and beef jerky ;)

[RTO]

well i'll let you keep the ammo, but if i find you, the jerky is def. mine! lol.. i think if you can't carry it on you, you can just leave it at your designated base and just run back as much as possible.

i myself plan to have a stryofoam container full of stuff in case it needs to be used (water, food, energy bars, etc.)

yeah, ammo will be carried on me once i get a chance to reaload so thats not much of a worry!

[demonmutiny]

you us or skinny

[RTO]

Chalk Leader (at least i still think i am) Sgt. Eversmann

[PePe]

ya know what RTO im thinking of carrying that ammo box wit me the whole time LOL :D

[demonmutiny]

cool, this my first time soo im hoping this will be great experience 4 me, friend said last time he went he had a awesome time

[RTO]

you have no clue how big this field is, and how tiresome it gets to traverse it like fifteen times in one day. since this event is the longest i've been too.. i'm sure i'll be crossin it more than 15 times this time though...
i'd think twice about carrying that ammo box w/ you.. and how are you going to quick reload on the field w/ it?

after a while though, the field seem to shrink. it doesn't seem as big as what it did the first day i was there because i'm familiar with it.


demonmutiny (http://member.php?u=170).. whoz your friend?

[PePe]

sweet im am looking forward to this game

[demonmutiny]

his name is randy stanaway, and i just meet a guy name spanky ak47 on the forum who seems cool

[The_Jackal]

I will be going to get kingcamo1095. So he will be at the game. He also might bring a friend.

[demonmutiny]

i wouldnt, prob when u get there someone might

I would like to know if somebody out there has an extra combat vest I could use for the game. The one I ordered(I paid with echeck last time I do that) wont be here until monday. So if I could just use it during the game I would owe you one. :)

[SPANKY *AK-47*]

i am definatly, taking the hotel as PyroKid and I's personal base, me and PyroKid will lite any one up who gets withing 20 ft. :D i just dare you to try :D ......the local guys can vouch for me on this one,they all know how me and pepe are, so watch your step. Biznaches :D

[demonmutiny]

well we will see who lites up who lol

[RTO]

i am definatly, taking the hotel as PyroKid and I's personal base, me and PyroKid will lite any one up who gets withing 20 ft. :D i just dare you to try :D ......the local guys can vouch for me on this one,they all know how me and pepe are, so watch your step. Biznaches :D

ROE states you have to call out surrender to anyone w/in 10 ft of you so i'd be very cautious of this.... and you have no idea what professor has in mind for the hotel so its best not to dig-in until we are there and know what is going on


also, might i add on a serious note that someone/ some people there strictly to tape the game might be a nice thing to have. get two ore three cameras out on the field gettin this down, edit it, and then you'd have a nice lil memory film for yourself.. and possibly to sell to everyone else if you know what your doin. if i had the camera, id be doin it myself, but i don't have the 1500 needed for the vid camera that i want

[Bucket]

i am definatly, taking the hotel as PyroKid and I's personal base, me and PyroKid will lite any one up who gets withing 20 ft. :D i just dare you to try :D ......the local guys can vouch for me on this one,they all know how me and pepe are, so watch your step. Biznaches :D



you do that

[demonmutiny]

hey anyone know how much i would spend on ammo there and in what size bulk

[Razor]

What else do I need? what can I use as a supply pouch? will someone carry me when I get tired?

Probably has already been said: bug spray and something to eat. Probably best if you keep those 2 seperate and well labeled. Carry, no. Drag, yes. ;)

[demonmutiny]

hmm idk if i said that wrong but how much does ammo cost there and in what bulk size 2000,4000 wut? i really need to know now before its too late thxs